VY Poll for fans and non fans

Whats the difference between VY and Collins, statistics wise, its Ints, thats it, its not like Collins is doing better in other aspects, Im tired of people thinking Vy sucks, he makes a few more bad reads and takes more risks, if VY threw the kind of "off his back leg int" like Collins did in the BMore game, theyd be calling for his head, fact of the matter is until CJ hit the scene, most of the offense around him flat out sucked. Its not justifiable in any way to say VY is a bust when he had Chris Brown, LenDale White, Justin Gage, and Brandon Jones. Now we have Gage, White, Cj and Washington, Mcariens sucks, and odds are these young recievers with "upside" have little chance of panning out. I think with his ability to move out of the pocket, improvise and run, VY is a much better qb, people are just constantly on his *** because hes the premier player on the offense, do you think Manning is even close to what he is today without Harrison, Wayne, Edge, Addai, and every other great offensive player hes had?. What about LT, an 8 year vet, I dont remember the Chargers gettin on him when he would show up on a garbage offense on a garbage SD team for many years.

It gets aggravating when they bash him just because he "sucked", people watch Collins and act like this dude is running a spread run and gun offense like its unstoppable, he has done nothing we havent seen from Vince, that simple

 

I always give people a second chance. You know watching this year's games, I actually think the Titans are a better team with an accurate pocket passer. Steve and Vince made a lot of good moves with their legs, but I think being spot on to convert third down is much more important. I also think when we are spot on with passes the opposing defense has a lot more to worry about than if we have a great scrambler.

 

I have been ambivalent about Vince. I was a strong supporter before the draft and throughout his rookie season. But during the second year TC, I began to notice problems with too many INT's. the 10-6 year, the biggest knock was the red zone inefficiency (thank God for Bironas).

When we dumped Chow, I thought things were really going to improve. But then Vince decided to go back to school for the Spring- something that really made me take notice that doing everything possible to be a top level NFL (franchise-type) QB was not his top priority. He again struggled later in TC w/ too many INT's and clearly had a "deer in the headlight" look. Then the emotional/mental breakdown after the Jags game.

I think it IS a valid point that Vince didn't have Chris Johnson or as mature an O-line as Collins did. He had already missed the bus by the time he got a shot in the Indy game because he had wasted his opportunities for learning anything by apparently pouting on the sideline the entire year. I'm certain he doesn't feel like he has much of a shot with Heimerdinger as OC, because Dinger isn't going to coddle him at all. (I'll even bet he called him a dumbazz once or twice)

I also think we are way over-valuing Collins. Yes- he "guided us to a 13-3 season, but what did he do in the play-offs? Not much- it was mostly CJ and O-line.

So I guess I hold out hope that Vince has matured emotionally. You can't create intelligence, I don't think Vince has it, but I'm not certain you need it to get in the red zone if you have the right OC and other weapons. I would like to see him prove everybody wrong again. Apparently he is not going to back to Austin this year, so maybe that IS a valid indicator of his commitment to do what it takes to be the best.

If we see a Vince that is getting the ball out timely and accurately, and freezing safeties w/ a threat of a run, then I do believe we will see a top 10 offense. I'm not ready yet to write Vince off. I do believe that it will be a fair contest this TC.

 

Costly INT, a 72 passer rating AND we lost the game. He had a last shot to get the team back within field goal range with his arm and he was 0/4 with off target passes on that game closing drive. Now I am not saying he is a bad QB, just nothing spectacular.

Young is where he is because of who has been and what he has and hasn't done. But it IS a valid point that he wasn't able to produce his rookie and second year with an experienced/"gel-ed" O-line like we have now and a burner like CJ.

Do I honestly think he can make something unique happen this year? I am seeing a very positive sign that he is staying in Nashville this Spring rather than pursuing his degree in Greco-Roman Vodka-chugging. I believe there is a genuine opportunity to for him to improve if he is truly committed. I can only speculate on that.

 

Yeah- I agree w/ draft QB this year, maybe take a flier in the 4th or 5th. I think there is about a 30% chance that we see a committed, mature and productive Vince this year at TC, a 50% chance we see "same ole, same ole" and a 20% chance that he looks worse than last year's TC.

 

The thing is with VY is we're really not going to know how much hes progressed untill we actually see him in action. I'm sure hes going to have an excellent training camp and your going to hear Fisher,Dinger,players and even VY himself praising about the progress hes made in TC much like they did last year but that still wont matter to me. We all need to see it,i personally dont put to much stock into preseason games because of the basic game planning. In all reality unless Collins gets hurt we really wont know hows hes actually gotten better or worse and will have to just rely on a few pre-season games and the coaching staffs opinions to form our own conclusions.

 

I think we'll be able to tell a lot in TC. He was throwing 1-2 picks per session and 3-5 per day the past 2 years and getting in fights with other players.

I believe he will at least recognize, there is no better way to restore himself with his peers than performance and that performance directly reflects preparation. I'm sure he recognizes that there is no more room for cheap chest thumping and trash talking.