Vinny Curry

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  1. xpmar9x

    xpmar9x Vote for Pedro

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    :hang::shocked: You're kidding, right? Please say you're kidding.

    Please explain why you think he's the "best pure pass rusher".

    I have nothing against Mercilus, he's a nice guy. I just feel he's overrated and better suited for a 34 OLB. I see him more as a Mid-2nd, he has all the tools to be good, but I don't see him ever being a superstar.

    He has good stats, but he has many flaws:

    1. Slow off the snap, despite what many sites say.
    2. One year wonder
    3. Targeted small OL/TEs to matchup on
    4. Average pass rushing moves
    5. Doesn't accelerate well
    6. Average upper body strength
    7. 265, isn't the best for a DE.. so a little small, not bad by any means though.
    8. Can be "too" aggressive
    9. Uses the wide-nine stance alot, inflated Babin-like numbers.
    10. Terrible with his hands vs big OTs (maybe because he's missing 1/2 a finger? lol)
    11. Most penalized DE in the NCAA for off-sides (just an assumption)
    12. Poor tackling techinique

    He has good edge assisngment awareness and is solid at chasing plays to the sideline. I think he'd benefit from being a 3-4 defense. He's a nice kid, but sucked two years for Illinois (had limited playing time), had a solid junior season. I wish him well, for he left for cash to support his parents. He's very "raw" like JPP. When not rushing the passer, gets tied up and gets blown by. He's not like a raw JPP, JPP barely played football and is 6'5 280 and a freak athlete. Whitney is 6'4 265 and an average athlete.
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  2. Ensconatus

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    Mercilus can not be compared to JPP, I guarantee he doesn't Have the insane measurables that make JPP standout.
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  3. steverife

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    Mercilus is like JPP in that he was a late bloomer. Physically, he is nothing like JPP.

    Brockers seems like more of a JPP to me -- high risk, high reward.
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  4. HeadOnASwivel

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    Just from videos I've been watching that's how I came to the conclusion. I would rank the best pass rusher in the draft as. 1. Mercilus 2. Imgram 3. Curry... I think the numbers bear that out. You sure have a lot of excuses as to how/why he is overrated but you can't make up his numbers, either way he got those sacks and forced fumbles.

    Again, I'm not saying he doesn't have things to improve upon and he clearly has a lot to learn. His ability is clear though, however you may try to spin it. Remember at 20 the Titans will be looking for the "best player available". This could mean the best athelete, raw as he may be.

    Seems to me that hiring a pass rush specialist is a set up to draft a DE a little on the raw but with a lot of upside side to groom.

    Personally I don't care if the Titans take Curry or Mercilus or Ingram, Courtney Upshaw whatever player they feel can get to the passer the best.

    Oh and a "solid" Junior season, thats how you'd describe it? Yeah no bias there huh, lol? Winning the Ted Hendricks award and finishing with 16 sacks, nine forced fumbles and had 22.5 TFL is "solid". Personally I'd call the "exceptional" and the best in all of College Football.
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  5. The Playmaker

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    Even though the DE position isn't the most talented position in the draft it has some of the best depth:

    Coples
    Perry
    Mercilus
    Branch
    Crick
    Curry
    Johnson
    Jackson
    Bequette
    Paige-Moss (has the talent but horrible time to declare, value pick)

    Some of these guys are going to be there in the 2nd and much later on. Now, maybe we should go DE 1st round but that's only if Barron is gone, Still falls to us, or we decide to go the OG/C route.
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  6. xpmar9x

    xpmar9x Vote for Pedro

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    In that case is Babin the one of the best DE in football? No.

    I'm not trying to call you out or anything. But, I've watched every Illinois football game, more than half in person, for the last few years. Whitney does have a "wow" factor, but I do tend to think he's overrated because of the numbers he put up. I hope he proves me wrong and dominates in the NFL, and he has the potential to where he could. I just don't think he's worth a 1st round pick.
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  7. Deuce Wayne

    Deuce Wayne Damnit, I cant find my driving moccasins anywhere!

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    Mercilus does for a fact have the coolest name in the draft though.
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  8. JCBRAVE

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    Don't forget that Millard wants to move Ayers to DE is passing situations. And IMO that kind of eliminates Mercilus from being ours because to me he's like Ayers.
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  9. HeadOnASwivel

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    I agree totally and I was just thinking about this fact in my soon to be mock draft. I really think Ayers is going to be moved to a full time, weak side, DE. My mock will surely reflect that.
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  10. xpmar9x

    xpmar9x Vote for Pedro

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    Good point JCBRAVE.
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