Peyton Manning cleared to play.

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  1. TitanJeff

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    Yet the average total regular season defensive ranking for all the Super Bowl winners the last decade has been 13th.
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    TheSureThing WHY DIDNT YOU DRAFT JOHNNY FOOTBALL?!?

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    So a middle of the pack defense gets it done.....I don't see a lot of middle of the pack Quarterbacks getting it done.

    I'll be happy with or without Manning because I have faith in Locker. But to say signing Manning would be the dumbest thing this franchise can do is pretty ignorant.
  3. pettso

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    How does this compare to average offense rank? How about average passer rating ranking of the QB? I'm genuinely curious, its an interesting stat.
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    You have to be careful with those average numbers.....You have real high powered offenses in N.O., Ind, and GB that skew those numbers.

    I do not like reading too much into numbers in sports. They never tell the whole story.
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  5. Scarecrow

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    Off the top of my head, the last QBs to win Super Bowls are.....

    Rogers
    Brees
    P Manning
    E Manning
    Brady
    Big Ben

    I do not know if I am missing any, but all of those guys played big parts in helping their team win. In fact, Brad Johnson with Tampa is where I would stop the list.
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    You can't infer that a middle of the pack defense is all you need to win a Super Bowl from that fact. By doing so, you are warping the information.

    That number (13th) is simply an average. What it means is that some teams that win the Super Bowl have an awesome offense and a not-so-great defense, while some have an awesome defense and a mediocre offense. Some are good in both areas. It is simply an average and it says nothing about a "minimum" level of defense that you need to win the Super Bowl.
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    You're right, you can't infer that it is all you need, but it is a fact that teams with defenses ranked 13th or lower have indeed won the Superbowl in the past decade. This means that a top defense is not required. Obviously, if your defense is not great, you have to make up for it somewhere else (offense, special teams, luck, etc.).

    Basically, the stats show that it's possible to make up for an average defense based on the teams from the last decade. I'm curious to see if many teams have made up for an average offense in that same period?

    The other thing is ranking of defenses is really skewed. Some people rank them based on yards, others on points against. The first doesn't take red-zone defense and turnovers into account. The second doesn't take the game as a whole into account. Neither takes the opponent's offense into account. Both suck IMO.
  8. TitanJeff

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    What's ignorant is believing that he's going to be the same QB he was before his three operations. Until he proves he is, signing him would be completely ignorant.

    Oh, and for the record, the 49ers and Ravens were a botched kickoff return and missed FG away from the Super Bowl. Think the QBs on either of those teams are "elite"? Both did have top 10 defenses.
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    But many here claim that teams cant' win the Super Bowl without elite QBs. Nothing can be further from the truth. Want to average every Super Bowl winning QB over the last decade and prove me wrong?

    The top QB in the league this year was Brees who was sitting at home after one game into the playoffs.
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  10. TitanJeff

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    But many of you here claim that teams cant' win the Super Bowl without elite QBs. Nothing can be further from the truth.

    The top QB in the league this year was Brees who was sitting at home after one game into the playoffs. Alex Smith and Bert were very close to facing each other in the Super Bowl this year.