Which would make a terrible meal combo, but I've had beef with Apple for awhile. Most of you know this, but for those that don't I'll explain in short: To me, apple makes the same product everyone else does, or even crappier - but slaps a cute design on, lets their great marketing team work their magic, and overcharges like crazy for the product. The ipod is the perfect example of this. Now, every time I used the ipod as an example, the rebuttal I hear most is "well - it's easier to use". Of course it is. Because dragging and dropping files is a difficult process on any other mp3 player, right? Anyway: This weekend, my wife brings home a cute little Apple Ipod Shuffle. A co-worker of hers wants me to add some songs for her daughter. Cool, no big deal. So I get the songs, drag and drop...easy! So I want to hear how the quality is on the songs I added to this player, right? I turn it on. The green light flashes. I push play...orange light flashes... and... nothing. So, I figure I must have pushed the play button twice, pausing it. I push it again to resume...orange light flashes...and... nothing. At this point, I'm a bit irritated. This is the mp3 player that everyone told me is so easy to use, yet I've never had an issue with the other 3 mp3 players I've had. Congrats to apple for being my first! Go figure. So I do a search on google, and it turns out that this problem is common. What's the fix? I must reformat the mp3 player and update the software. Seriously? I have to update software on an mp3 player to hear songs?? Since i didn't have the software, my wife returned it to the lady and I'm not sure if her daughter got it working or not, but I thought I should share my experience with apple, so now I at least have a bit of substance to back my 'not worth it' claims. Did you know? Apple's logo is an apple with a bite taken out of it. Apple is pure evil. There are only 2 famous apples that I can recall, and both involve evil. Eve took a bite of an apple - and this became the most suitable logo for this company that obviously sold their souls to satan in order to completely rob consumers without them even caring. Oh! New iphone out soon! Get it before the next one releases a week after!