Featured Breaking News With the 135th pick, the Titans select DE Rashad Weaver

Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by TitanJeff, May 1, 2021 at 12:31 PM.

  1. HurrayTitans!

    HurrayTitans! Useless trivia knowledge champion

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    That’s accurate. The last we took early was Landry. Prior was Dodd in 16.

    I wouldn’t have issue with this if there was any success matching the strategy but there hasn’t been. The Titans pass rush has been trash for nearly a decade. Casey was awesome and Simmons looks like a great replacement.
    Imagine what they could have done with any pass rushers.

    every year we hit the bargain bin (last year clowney was an exception) with little results.

    I agree on the other needs. A RT was needed, a CB was needed. Both of which were addressed in FA as well (sort of with Lamm). Yet there was the issue of edge rusher still at the top.

    value is a subjective thing anyway but I agree to an extent. To me, if the guy is available but likely won’t be next time around, the value matches your pick. So what if the player was graded a few spots lower, get your guy. Maybe that’s what happened but JRob never seems to have any “guy” the rushes the passer and the titans team pays every year by not putting any pash rush on the field.
     
  2. Titans2004

    Titans2004 Pro Bowler

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    I get sick of people acting like JRob hasn’t tried to fix the pass rush....last yr our 2 big FA signings both addressed the problem...JRob swung and missed but he tried....this yr our top 2 FA signings again addressed the pass rush. JRob has spent plenty on trying to fix it....let’s hope this yr we signed the right guys
     
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  3. Dangermode

    Dangermode A New Era has Begun

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    Some people will say the Browns taking JOK was the steal of the draft, but he’s just Jabrill Peppers 2.0 to me. Jack of all trades, master of none. That never works out in the NFL.
     
  4. HurrayTitans!

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    This is year 6 for JRob. If he gets credit for attempting to fix the pass rush, he can get the blame for completely sucking at it then.

    Titans pass rush and his attempts to fix have been nothing short of total trash.

    so while you’re sick of folks like me complaining about the lack of fixes, I’ll add that I’m sick of seeing the same lack of pass rush every year when we all know that pass rush is necessary to win.
     
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  5. Chronos

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    Two different issues:
    1) lack of trying to fix it. He has tried
    2) actually fixing it. He has failed...thus far
    I am feeling better about this year’s efforts over last year’s. My one concern is Dupree might not be ready and a factor until later in the season.
     
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  6. TitanJeff

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    Gotta look at scheme/coaching too. It’s the only consistent thing in the mix throughout.
     
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  7. Soxcat

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    I suppose we could have taken an edge player instead of Simmons and that would have fixed the problem.... not. Bottom line is:

    1. 1st round picks hit about 50% of the time (2nd round pick less) and far less than that for an elite guy.
    2. There are other needs like LB, CB, OL, WR in the early rounds
    3. go back to item 1.

    So as important as edge rushers are you might only draft one in the first two rounds 20-25% of the time based on need and what is available. Then when you get one, like Dodd, you have a 50% chance or better they don't solve the problem. In fact your best bet is to get a Jayon Brown like talent at edge in the 4th or 5th round (luck?). We also haven't figured it out yet but even when signing FAs, with track records in the NFL, having them play to their value might be a 50% crap shoot (with injury figured in).

    Thus, just saying we could have, should have done more to fix the problem is not seeing the whole picture and even if we did spend an extra pick or two over the last decade there we might miss out on a guy like Henry or something and have a hole at another position.
     
  8. Ontario Titan

    Ontario Titan Pro Bowler

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    I'm assuming Schwartz would have input on these defensive picks?
     
  9. Thanos22

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    Then hold him responsible for not doing his job. Ppl on here think he's a god just because he came from the patriots and we made the playoffs.
     
  10. HurrayTitans!

    HurrayTitans! Useless trivia knowledge champion

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    The success rate of an edge rusher not selected is 0% all the time. At some point, JRob needs to look for some young (which will mean a longer time on the team and for cheaper) talent to rush the passer.
    And I agree, playing to value from FA is not a guarantee. I’d even argue it’s less than 50% considering the cost of FA edge rushers. Just one more reason to use the draft.

    We already know that pass rush can help a weaker secondary. The other way around doesn’t work or at least won’t work against the best teams.

    Right now KC is the best team in the AFC, arguably the NFL. TB just gave the ground work to beat them. It seems like a good idea to attempt that.


    Edit: to be clear, I’m not in the same boat as the other dude that sees JRob on the hot seat. He’s done enough other moves well that he’s earned a lot of leeway. The edge rusher and importance of pass rush is my only real sore spot with JRob. If a title is coming to Tennessee, the D must make the QB worry about getting hit or feel the pain from getting hit.
     
    #60 HurrayTitans!, May 3, 2021 at 9:16 PM
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