Dude, I don't "think", I am stating information that is correct. I never said that Vince did the minimal overall. Big difference between doing the basic required, and going all out, when it comes to working out. It's obvious that Terrell Owens and Vernon Davis do way more than required when it comes to working out. V. Davis is referred to as "The Body" by other players in the NFL. He's amazing! Now, back to Vince. He has great work ethic, just doesn't have a ripped body. He does more work as far as studying the playbook and breaking down game film. A qb doesn't have to be ripped to be effective. Look at the "Hefty Lefty" with the Giants. That Kentucky boy is one chunky cookie. NOTE TO SELF: The Gloat is Lendale White. Only Lendale would have enough nerve to put up a picture of Travis and himself and say they are similar, bodywise! Lendale is a marshmallow! Actually, he looks like one of those campfire toasted marshmallows from a Girlscout hike.:ha: He's softer than a batch of warm chocolate chip cookies fresh out of the oven that the guys are fond of. This paragraph is for the ladies. I was at a social situation and this is the rundown. Oh, my defie of ripped is defined, muscular arms and distinct 6-8 pack abs. Vince Young, not ripped and even had a hint of a belly pooch! Travis Henry, ripped. David Thornton, not ripped, but muscular. Chris Hope, ripped. David Givens, ripped, Popeye arms! Brandon Jones, not ripped. Keith Bulluck perfectly ripped and totally hot. Robaire Smith, not ripped and doesn't care. Peter Sirmon, ripped (he's hot!). Pacman Jones, scrawny and ripped by default. Travis Laboy, simply beautiful. Gunny, work in progress and hints of 'roo-like qualities.