Which would you prefer?

Discussion in 'NFL Draft' started by 2ToneBlueBlood, Apr 19, 2011.

  1. Scenario #1 (QB in the 1st, DT in the 2nd)

    7 vote(s)
  2. Scenario #2 (DT in the 1st, QB in the 2nd)

    12 vote(s)
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  1. HeadOnASwivel

    HeadOnASwivel Starter

    Duh, if Bud Adams wanted him they wouldn't have announced publicly that they intend to trade or release him.
  2. xpmar9x

    xpmar9x The Real Slim Shady

    I miss you Gut. You haven't posted a lot recently and you're my favorite!
  3. TheSureThing

    TheSureThing Straight Cash Homie

    Yeah, and Kobe Bryant pretty convincingly announced to the public that he wanted to be traded from the lakers....before he won his 4th and 5th championships..

    People change their minds from a day to day basis...Especially when your talking about an owner with a Texas fetish..
  4. Fry

    Fry Welcome to the land of tomorrow!

    Yeah, and the Lakers traded for Pau Gasol and he was happy again. I guarantee you if the Lakers didn't make a move he wouldn't be there today.
  5. Architect

    Architect Pain Train

    I don't think he is a first rounder but I don't think he.will be there at 39 and if you see a QB that can lead ur franchise you take him.

    That being said I think in any area of analysis he compares favorably to any other QB in this draft

    Didn't put up good stats?! He is the ONLY QB to ever pass for 10,000 yards and run for 4,000. Never threw for less than 20tds and no more than 7 picks. Lead an upset of Boise State.

    I usually say this doesn't matter but after VYs score and performance I put a little more stock in it. He scored a 37 (higher than Peyton Manning)

    He isn't the most accurate but he isn't bad. He improved in accuracy EVERY ear

    Cannon arm, second fastest QB I'm the draft. This guy is an athlete. Tall, good build. Needs to add a little weight

    Great kid and ppl have raved about his leadership skills. No character concerns. Steps up in big games

    Pistol offense isn't traditional but it is closer to a pro style offense than the college spread with multiple reads
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  6. HeadOnASwivel

    HeadOnASwivel Starter

    The thing is trading out of the top 10 is easier said than done, there is just no guarantee that we'll even get an offer to move down. I do, however, feel we have a real chance of trading with the Lions so they would be able to leapfrog Dallas and select Tyron Smith.

    I'd have to go with option A, but I'd replace Fariley with Aldon Smith and round 2 hit Dalton/Ponder/Locker/Kaepernick whichever one is on the board.
  7. HeadOnASwivel

    HeadOnASwivel Starter

    Actually Kobe Bryant publicly announced he wouldn't play for the Charlotte Hornets which is why he was traded to the Lakers on draft day, but that's another story.

    You don't to that to a player and ever expect that player to want to be apart of the team. Bud made his decision and there is no way VY will be back. The only reason Vince wants to stay now is for that 12 million he knows damn well that if he is released he's going to be making a much, much lower salary.
  8. Gut

    Gut Pro Bowler



    I'm quite busy atm but am trying to find a bit more time with the draft so near.

    Keep the posts coming!

  9. Gut

    Gut Pro Bowler


    How many QB's and which ones do you think will be drafted before pick 39 and who do you think will be available (QB's)?

    Passing for 10,000yds in a college career is excellent. It has much less importance to how high his ceiling is in the NFL. It shows he's been a 4 year starter and that's a good thing. We know he can run so we know he's mobile.

    To be specific, he threw for 19 td's in '07 but more importantly, for a 4 year starter, he's been consistently good - not great. While he hasn't thrown less than 19 td's, he's never thrown MORE than 21 td's. Cam Newton threw 30 his first year against much harder competition. He's only thrown more TD's than INT's in 6 of his 14 games this year and that's WITH him being able to run at will. Mallett did it in 10 out of his 13 games purely throwing the ball. Newton did it in 11 out of 14 games.

    He threw 2 or more TD's in only 7 of his 14 games. Newton did it in 11 of his 14 games. Mallett did it in 9 of his 13 games.

    Yards is not the be all end all since Mallett threw for a gaudy 3800 yards because he had a lot more attempts so it's better to look at YPA. Newton had 10.2, Mallett had 9.4 and Kap had 8.4.

    Stats-wise projecting him as a passing NFL qb, he is not on par with either of the guys mentioned. In addition, him being a 4 year starter whould have seen him improve more in TD's. While his accuracy improved nicely (as did Newton and Mallett's), his TD's only marginally increased and he never has been close to a 30 TD season.

    The wonderlic only has a negative correlation. All you wanna know is, is his score 25 or above. Scoring a 50 doesn't make sure an NFL starter, it just means you can do it if everything else checks out. I only use a wonderlic to downgrade someone, not elevate them.

    I don't like when QB's have to tinker with their throwing motion because you can really mess up there accuracy and it's one more thing they shouldn't be thinking about while standing in the pocket. Kap's motion is too long and it needs to be changed. We don't know how much this will affect his accuracy but it won't improve it (though his completion % could go up simply because db's won't have as much chance to jump his passes).

    Great kid and no character concerns, but against Boise and BC in the Bowl game, he under performed. Against Boise he threw 10% below his completion avg for the year, threw 1 td and 1 int, and those stats are in 35 attempts (the 2nd most he had the whole season). Even if you add his rushing TD, he contributed fewer than half of his team's points. Against BC, he had a decent 60% completion percentage but threw for less than 200yds on 33 attempts. He also did not run very effectively.

    It is and isn't. While he does have multiple reads and has to read more of a defense than Gabbert or Newton, he still has to learn how to drop back and learn how to read defenses and go through his progressions doing something he hasn't done. He also has had a very strong running game which has put less pressure on him than many other QB's.

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  10. griff33daddy

    griff33daddy Starter

    good points on both i high fived...but to say the least i believe that the SEC had a down year....florida played awfully below expectations and besides auburn and bama--who performed top of their games--arkansas wasnt as good as everyone expected--to slow still for the sec as its more of a speed conference more than power

    mississippi state was the one team that actually surprised me out of now where as i didnt expect them to be as decent as everyone else...still the best conference but a down year i believe
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