I'm glad you brought this up... First of all no, I don't think Eli is even in the discussion. And in terms of effectiveness, I'd say Ben and Rivers are about equal, they're just two different types of QBs. Vince Young, at his maximum level, will be a Ben Roethlisberger type player. Phillip Rivers, though, would be more of a Tom Brady type player. Not necessarily the same methods, but the same results and the same level of effectiveness. All the above mentioned QB's are among the top 5 in the league though, aside, of course, from Manning.