Rumor Titans interested in 1st overall pick

The 6-7 QBs who won the SB who were not great (or having great seasons).

Peyton (2015), Foles, Flacco, Eli (2007), B Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler.

And I think it's generous giving you Peyton in his last year. Yes he played terrible for most of the regular season because he was injured, but he's still Peyton Manning and he played well in the playoffs for the most part.

Every other QB to win had a pretty great season and nearly all of them are or will be HOFers.

 

Boy, thanks for being generous.

I asked a simple question, what criteria did you use?

just because the name is a HoF or eventual one, doesn’t mean they even had a good season the year they won the SB.

this is how I know you only went by a name without looking anything up, Brad Johnson had a career year for his SB win and was a top 10 QB that year.
Considering your years of suggestion, you definitely gave credit where it’s not due. Aikman for example was not that good at all. John Elway wasn’t HoF every year.

and while I assume you have to be joking about 2015 Manning, that is the absolute worst QB performance to ever win a SB by a long shot. That is the definition season that proves you can actually have a crap QB and win a SB despite being extreme outlier.

 

Lol, and you have the audacity of accusing me of not looking up the stats?

Aikman was Top 10 or top 5 in virtually every category in 92 and 93. 95 was a strong year at QB and while his counting stats fell just outside the top 10, he did have the 3rd best QB rating.0

Likewise, Elway was among the leagues elite in 97 and 98 in virtually every category.

I will be honest, I didn't look at how Brad Johnson compared to rest of the league in 2002. I just assumed those numbers were pretty weak overall. However, the league as a whole was pretty weak at QB in 2002, so he had a top 10 year by default. Still, in 2002 he was 17th in yards, 16th in YPA, 10th in TDs, 15th in passing attempts. Seems more like he was a glorified game manager with an all time great defense. But I digress.

If you want to swap out 95 Aikman for 02 Brad Johnson, be my guest. It doesn't change anything. That still leaves you with 6 QBs that won the SB without being great/having great individual seasons.

 

So the criteria you used to grade each QB should be easy to explain.

what are they again?

 

Aggregate stats (most important) followed by MVP Votes, awards, etc.

 

probowls - LOL

 

I didn't say pro bowls were important. Though they aren't necessarily meaningless. I wouldn't call someone a top 10 QB based solely on PB.

 

But when you said:
“Past 30+ years, the SB winner has had a great QB like 80% of the time. And typically the SB loser also has a great QB. “

and:
“That means right at 80% of the SBwinners between now and then had a great QB”

what is the criteria for a “great QB”?
As an example, I wrote Top 10 for that QB on the individual year that they reached the SB.

I can explain how I reached what made a QB top 10 or not but we may have different criteria.
You stated aggregate stats and awards, including MVP. I have to assume you meant for that specific year, not just in general.
Then I’m asking where your cutoff is for “great”.

 

I mean I think it's rather clear looking at the individual QBs and their specific years. There maybe a couple borderline, like Aikman in 95 and Johnson in 2002. But every other one is clear as day. Warner, Brady (7), Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben (2), Rus Wilson, Mahomes, Stafford, Favre, Elway (2), Peyton, Eli in 2011, Young, Aikman (3), Montana (2), Rypien.

That's 27 times (or roughly 80%). All undisputably were among the leagues best QBs those years. And don't get me started on how many SB appearances and conference championships between that group as well.

QB is without a doubt the most important position on this field. And history has proven if you don't have a really good one, your chances of winning a SB are slim, as are your chances of staying competitive consistently over a long period of time.

And this years SB marks another one that will be won by a team with great QB play, regardless of who wins.

 

These QBs were not top 10 the year listed and they went to the SB
89 Elway
90 Hostetler
93 Aikman
94 Humphries
95 Aikman
95 O’donnell
99 McNair
00 Dilfer
01 Brady
03 Delhomme
05 Ben R
06 Grossman
07 Eli
08 Ben R
10 Ben R
12 Flacco
12 Kaepernick
14 Russ Wilson
15 Peyton
17 Foles
18 Brady
19 Jimmy G

And I’ll make the argument that hurts is outside the top 10 this year, although I’d say right around 10.

Look up the stats and compare to the rest of the league that year.

One Important stat I’ve noticed, 15 winning QBs had 10 or less INT on the year (didnt count the partial season guys, Hos, Foles, dilfer who had 11 anyway)

5 QBs played 11 or less games, Hos, Kap, Foles, McNair, Dilfer
And 40 of the 63 left were in the top 10 INT. Don’t turn the ball over.

Edit: still don’t know what makes someone “great” in your descriptions. Or now “really good one” although I agree your chances dip dramatically the worse your QB is, still not impossible.

Consistently competitive is another argument as well. So much more involved.