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Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by TitanJeff, Sep 8, 2019.
I don’t see what’s so special about Bridgewater.
I duno, I reckon 'you win some you lose some' is a fair way to summarise this.
Some weeks as a QB you'll throw perfectly timed passes setup for massive YAC, or a 50 yard dime to an open receiver, but the spud WR will drop it for no reason.
Then other weeks you'll throw a pretty basic 2-yard screen pass and the RB will take it 75 yards to the house.
Only giving MM 75 air yards is an unfair thing to do. Sometimes a good pass is the difference between 1-2 YAC and 10+.
Then why was it even brought up? Your QB threw 3 td passes in a win, but he didnt "stretch" the field. Doesn't matter how you get the win, a win is a win. Think the Saints cared Brees was being a Charlie check down with Kamara Monday night?
It's fair for us as fans to have concerns and project those forward regardless of a win. Winning doesn't mean there aren't places to be better.
One of the big knocks on Marcus the past two years has been him not pushing the ball down the field. Everyone wrote off 2018 because of the nerve injury. But now he came out and still had only about 1 pass beyond 20 yards in the first game.
But we don't have to look at this entirely negatively. The positive point though is that he actually has some playmakers around. Some games he can just dump the ball off to Henry, Brown, and Davis and let them create big plays. Goff isn't actually a stud with a canon arm, he just has great players around him that he distributes to. That can work if we have good play makers and a good play caller!
I don't understand your point. You say you're not low balling him by offering less annual value, but you want to give him a short contract and little guaranteed money. That IS lowballing him. If he plays well, SOMEONE is gonna pay him! If he doesn't, we won't pay him.
So this is only worth talking about IF he plays well. So under that circumstance, you want to lowball him so we don't sign him, and then HOPE to sign Tannehill? Assuming Mariota plays better than Tannehill, WHY would we do that? Tannehill is on a 1 year contract. He wants to start and get paid starter money too! You're looking at this the wrong way. There are too few good QB's...not too many!
The last two guys you probably want to compare him too...Dalton and Tannehill signed contract EXTENSIONS in 2014 and 2015 respectively. Dalton got 17mill in guaranteed money and Tannehill got like 21mil. But even Tannehill's contract was 4 years ago and just as importantly, these were contract extensions. Usually extensions are less than if the player waited til free agency since they are getting paid earlier and the team has the leverage.
Probably a closer comparison is Garropolo who has played so little, he doesn't have a good amount of stats to know how good he really is. And yet he signed a 5 year 137.5mil contract with 48+ fully guaranteed and 70+ mil in injury guarantees. The Niners wanted to be able to get out if they didn't like what they saw, but to do that required some creative maneuvering. They basically put $28mil of his guarantee as a roster bonus instead of a signing bonus so they'd take the cap hit all in the first year and a smaller amount in year 2...so they could get out in year 3. But he got essentially $48mil the first day he was on the roster. This is as team friendly a deal as you'll see in a newish contract. And it's a good deal if you can absorb a $37mil cap hit in year 1. A lot of the new contracts are getting front loaded to be more manageable during the length of the contract.
Let's not kid ourselves, you're not signing any good starting QB, who is a free agent, to a Dalton extension type deal. Not any more. The top guys are getting guarantees over $100mil...just in guarantees. And the top annual rate is $35mil. Once Prescott signs his new deal, Mariota or any other solid-good starters ask will go up as Prescott wants close to top level money without being a top 3 QB.
You want Tannehill after you lowball Mariota? Take at Carr's 5 year contract extension from 2 years ago...worth $25mil/yr, $12.5mil SB and $40mil fully guaranteed. If Mariota plays well, hard to see how his annual value isn't closer to $30mil/yr...especially if Prescott signs the kind of deal expected. His SB may be lower but he'll want higher guarantees or vice versa. But let's say Tannehill takes over on a one year contract and then plays well...then what? You lowball him to and have no starting QB and no high draft pick?
Doesn't make sense. And do you really want to send the message to other players that if you play well we are going to low ball you? Also, IF Mariota plays well and now you're risking the franchise not having a QB over money? That would be bad and would send a message to free agents (Cam Wake types) to not come here because we don't know what we're doing and they won't know if we're tanking for a year or what. After Miami just got blown out, several of their older players don't want to hang around for a rebuild and supposedly want out...after one game.
What would the fans think of our GM and ownership if we lowballed Mariota and Tannehill signed elsewhere and we picked in the high 20's and didn't have enough ammo to move up for a QB? Who's our QB then? Flacco? What will that say to our fan base? Great run in 2019, now let's go backwards at QB instead of moving forward!
Which of these guys do you think is going in round 1? Top 10?
Plenty of QB's get hyped as First Round picks and then fall off or become swiss cheese as teams find holes in their game or personality or both. Start with 7...end up with 2-3.
in case you havent noticed, most teams are better than the Titans to begin with.. and yes the Browns will do and be better for the rest of the season. When the starting QB has 4 commercials going already, it means the league will make damn sure they dont lose. Same goes for OGJ. A team has 2 players with god knows how many endorsements between them. That equals wins.
the titans are never going to have any form of a dynasty. They might get lucky one year and have a Raptors type one shot wonder happen to them, years from now. As long as they are wearing these crappy unifoems and dont have nationally popular players. No Super bowl is coming. Youre just watching for the pure enjoyment of football
To the stretching the field point only, someone brought it up as a positive that MM did in the game. Someone else countered with disagreement and stated his point.
No one “complained” about not stretching the field. That was what you said:
My post is not arguing for or against the ”stretching the field” comment. Mine was to point out you think MM is getting crapped on regardless of how good his performance is, and while sometimes that’s true(more like some posters do it), you picked a bad example. No one was “complaining” about that and if anything, the point you said that someone was, has only made it worse in the “can’t win for losing” argument.
This is honestly a microcosm of the way many conversations go awry over almost any topic.
Sorry all, way off point for the stats thread.
Back to the stats........1-0, first place.
Hey, I've been on team hater for a long while now.
That said, I have zero complaints of Sundays performance from mariota. Of course he didn't stretch the field. He had guys jailbreak running at him all game long. Hard to stretch the field in that situation.
The increased play action, shot deep to brown early, were all great signs. Let's keep in mind that it was his first game with this new, apparently competent hopefully, coordinator.
Keep it coming. Nice balanced, mistake free, efficient football. If he puts up games like that every week, with our defense, there will be home playoff games in our future.