The cardinal sin of the running QB..

Idea.

Let's trade our 1st and 2nd for McFadden and then adopt the wishbone with Young, McFadden, White, and either Hall or Brown.

 

I believe no matter what VY will never be a QB with true QB numbers. He will always have more Ints, but we just have to accept it. The thing is, if he were throwing these INTs but running with the ball alot more we would not care. I think he needs to run more, and then the passing stats wont matter..it took vick about 6 years till he threw for 20+ tds...and i believe falcons fans loved every moment of vick on the field...so give it time

 

You wanted Slamma to give you data on every first round qb drafted in the last 20 years. I gave you current season data on two such guys that were both the first qb selected in their respective drafts. I think Young throws way too many interceptions. You and everyone on the board agrees with that. At least they should. You have two variables. You have pass attemps and interceptions and have applied them to a set. It looks an awful lot like a correlation to me. I would definitely call it a comparison though. Who cares what it's referred to as?

Your general tone is that of one who feels genuinely superior and obstinate when it comes to listening. You stopped just short of calling another poster ignorant in post #6 but have since edited it away. You frequently use the terms moron, moronic, idiotic, stupid, etc... Don't sit there and pretend you don't. I don't really have issue with it. I find it a bit amusing. Really though, I don't see the harm in pointing out Manning and Palmer. All I did was point out that Young is in good company. It doesn't make me any less disgusted with all the picks.

 

Here are all the Hall of Famers for some comparison (their first two seasons). You'll notice only 10 out of 24 seasons resulted in a ratio over 19.

int per att
16.2 Aikman
22.2 Aikman2
18.5 Elway1
25.3 Elway2
49.3 Marino1
34.9 Marino2
30.3 Montana 1
40.7 Montana 2
9.1 Bradshaw
9.2 Bradshaw2
14.9 Fouts1
18.2 Fouts2
18.4 Griese1
22.2 Griese2
22.7 Namath1
17.4 Namath2
23.5 Staubach1
10.3 Staubach2
16.5 Tarkenton1
13.2 Tarkenton2
16.6 Tittle
12.7 Tittle2
17.3 SYoung
27.9 SYoung2

Note: I have left off Moon and Kelly for obvious reasons.

 

So basically, all you've really documented is that Vince has done better than the average Hall of Famer in this regard. And that the running qb is actually a lot better than most HOF qb's. Which I'm a strong advocate for anyway. I don't think the stat means that much this early in the career, but if it does, then he's looking really good in this category because he's an average Hall of Famer after 2 years. Let me stress that. He's not even at the bottom, but an average HOFamer when it comes to interceptions per attempt.

The hypothesis that he is hurting the team with his interceptions may very well be true, and can probably be documented, in fact, how could it not, as interceptions have no positive effect, but it does not mean that he is hurting the team any more than most Hall of Famers have done in the past and will do in the future. I think that is an important point of relativity here and gives people a foundation on which to place judgement.

 

RollTide

See Denver Game........

 

Ian Gold intercepted Vince Young's pass with 1:54 left in the fourth quarter to secure the win for the Broncos. Young was intercepted on consecutive drives in the fourth quarter, as Dre' Bly ended the previous Titans drive with 5:12 left in the fourth quarter.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29354&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG11

 

Wow this is so sad. I guess we all need something to talk about but must it always be this? Let it go. We all know VY has had trouble. If you are a big enough fan of this team to be a member and post on this site then you are most likely aware VY has had problems. The guy is an incredible player that is not yet an incredible QB. Why won't some of you sit back be patient and see what happens? WE ALL KNEW COMING IN THAT VY WOULD BE A 2-3 YEAR PROJECT!!! One year in why is that not ok with some of you? Pull out your stats yea they look pretty bad. Thanks for taking time to bum us out further with your senseless Googling. You know one thing stats are not gonna tell you? The future and like it or not thats what VY is. Now if you will kindly move to the back of our bandwagon. You are blocking the trues fans view of what is coming next.