So again, I ask... Who's the best QB in the league THIS YEAR?

As far as this season goes... Brees was the best quarterback in the league.

 

This is just dumb. Wayne has always played with Manning. Colston has always played with Brees. If anything, Colston has put up better stats in his short career than Wayne had at that point, I bet. As for tight ends, there isn't a comparison, Clark is awesome and Shockey is average. Still, you choose to ignore Henderson, Meachem, Bush, Thomas, and Bell. I bet Manning would trade players at every skill position except for TE with Brees.

It was a close game, but they were winning.

 

I understand that I'm not going to convince you, that's fine. You see it the way you want to see it.

I think a comparison between Wayne and Colston is totally legit, both are top 5 NFL WRs in my opinion. Yes, Wayne went to Miami and was a first round pick, while Colston went to Hofstra and was a 7th rounder. If anything, that's just a good example of why your "Manning has been surrounded by more 1st round picks than anyone ever" argument doesn't hold water. Both guys have plenty of weapons, that's the general point I'm trying to get across. Yes, Clark is clearly the better TE, but Shockey is a good TE, and the Saints have plenty of very solid offensive targets.

Brees set a record this season, so clearly, his completion percentage was better than Mannings. I was just pointing out that Manning's completion percentage this year is still really high (higher than Brees has ever done before this season). Just another example of how Brees has several statistical edges, but we're discussing two clearly elite QBs here, so there isn't a big difference in many of the stats.

Brees lost two when he was playing to win (Dallas and Tampa Bay). Yes, Manning was playing to win against the Jets, but he got pulled, and the Jets only pulled ahead after Manning went out. Brees sat out one whole game, Manning sat out about half of two games.

You were more impressed watching Brees beat the Cards miserable D than watching Manning beat the Ravens D? He was the clear winner that week to me. I would call Brees beating Minnesota and Manning beating the Jets a lot closer, though I think Brees TDs jacked up his rating when he struggled a lot of that game, while Manning cruised. Both threw 3 TDs, neither threw an INT, but Manning had a 10% higher completion percentage, and threw for almost 200 more yards.

Yes, I stated that I have a different opinion than the statistical one. I didn't just pick that opinion blindly though, I felt that way based on watching both of them a lot during the season. To a large extent, the context/opponent of many of those games had more weight than the stats. Of course, Brees trumped all that by putting up the best performance in the biggest game while Manning choked again, but again, I'm not arguing that. If we started this over post-super bowl, I'd agree with you. The debate was different last week based on what had happened so far, and I stand by that. You clearly can't appreciate the cumulative effect of the things I've listed, so you ignore them. That's fine, stick to your opinion, just don't say there's no logic behind mine.

 

And you say I say crazy things, whoa.

 

Colston is far from average, with or without brees..

This is a stupid argument. You can't blame Manning for having Wayne who was selected in the 1st round...And you certainly can't use it to Brees' advantage.

 

No but we sure can blame him for consistently finding a way to screw the pooch with all that talent around him.

No excuses.

Best QB Ever? I think not. Best this year? Sure in the regular season as per usual..........and even then its a NO if you compare his stats to Brees. He was only better by more of a small margin in wins only.

 

You keep calling Colston average, hes not.

Austin Collie is me in a Colts uniform, and let me tell you, I'm not that good. Pierce Garcon is a bum that runs a decent 40 time, and Mannings got him looking like the next Reggie Wayne...

to be honest...I'd take Colston, Shockey, Henderson, Moore, and Meachem over Wayne, Garcon, Collie, Clark, and whoever else on the colts any day.