NFL Divisional Games

Watching the Vikings and the Saints made me sad lol. I saw 2 teams that had quality coaching and play calling.

 

But it wasnt why they won, what dont you not get? Your typical “number #1 defense” in todays league cannot stop explosive offenses

 

Except they did and won because of it. "Explosive offense" held to zero first half points and 24 overall despite averaging 28 PPG.
If I also am catching this correctly, according to your definition of requirement to win the SB, future HoF Drew Brees will watching Case Keenum vs nick files for a trip to the SB. There's also potential (although I think slim) for Blake bortles to be in the SB.

Point is, you're dead wrong about "needing" a HoF QB to win the SB. What no season has ever showed us, is that you don't need a good defense. Whether it's TA/sacks/ or yards/pts allowed, no bottom of the barrel defense is winning a championship. We've seen bottom of the barrel QBs win. Might be rare but clearly points that it IS NOT necessity.

 

Youve seen those 10-15 years ago. Not in todays league your not, besides 2015 Broncos. Offense > defense. Defense wasnt the reason why they won this game. It was pure miracle and a poor tackling by a CB. None of this defenses would of made it this far with a garbage offense. If this defense are as good as you claim that they are why are they allowing teams to consistently score points???

 

How can you honestly type that? Doesn't happen today except 2 years ago.

Every SB team has a good defense, not every single team has a HoF QB. Case closed, end of story, you lose, you're wrong, you're are incorrect, you don't know what you're talking about, you have zero proof of your argument.

We are done here.

 

Lol ignorance is bliss. “Every SB team has a good defense, not every single team has a hof QB”

No **** sherlock holmes. Their still suppose to put up points on the board at a high level to win each and every week. You’re stupidity is too much for me to even continue. No GM has invested more on offense over the past 10 years than they have on defense. Its clear as day you need a good offense to make it to the SB.

Are you honestly going to sit here and act as if Brady had this bonafied studs on defense over the years, or this hof defensive studs? How about Rodgers, Brees, Wilson? Majority of these offenses were scoring at a high level to have a shot to win the SB.

Offense > defense

The point of a defense is to stop an offense. A defense will always have to adjust/react to what an offense is doing, giving a (good) offense the ability to control most aspects of the game.

There are plenty of recent Super Bowl winners who had better offense than defense. By DVOA:

• 2014 Pats: #6 offense, #12 defense
• 2012 Ravens: #13 offense, #19 defense
• 2011 Giants: #7 offense, #19 defense
• 2009 Saints: #2 offense, #17 defense
• 2006 Colts: #1 offense, #25 defense (although their defense was a lot better in the playoffs)

The 2009 Saints are probably the best example.

Teams with top 5 defenses have won 29 times. Top 5 offenses have won 27 times.

Teams with top overall defense have won 14 times. Top overall offenses have won 10 times. (Twice a team has had both.)

Teams with non-top 10 defenses have won 7 times. Teams with non-top 10 offenses have won 9 times.

Average defensive rank of a superbowl winner: 5.6 Average offensive rank: 6.1

They should be excluded when comparing top5/top5 since they are both and would not be counted as separate types of winners.


So it's close, but there is a statistical skew towards defense when it comes to winning a superbowl.

Edit:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/fo-basics

Football outsiders has found that the quality of a football team is about 4 parts offense, 3 parts defense, and 1 part special teams.

They've additionally found that performance of offensive players and units is much more consistent and projectable year to year compared to defensive players and units.

Putting this together, it flows that a the optimal strategy to win a superbowl if you're an NFL GM is to focus most of your resources on putting together a great offense year after year, and then hope that you luck into a year where your defense outperforms expectations and stays healthy. Teams like New England have been doing this for years.

So in a sense, "defense wins championships" because you win a championship with this strategy when you have a good defense. But you really won because your offense

 

First, I'm not about to do all the rearch to debunk your statements again. Willing to go back to 2006 but not just a couple years more and name out Trent dilfer and brad Johnson. That Tom Brady guy wasn't the superstar he is in 2001 either.

Second, I see you shifted your argument from needing a HoF QB to just needing a top offense.

I see on those cherry picked SB years you already have Flacco and Eli Manning as shoe in HoFers. They may be. Of course they were against Rex grossman, Colin kaepernick, and Russell Wilson in a couple which must also be HoF ready.

Thanks for bringing up football outsiders. They're the be all end all for football knowledge. What they say goes.

 

That play by the Saints DB who dove underneath Diggs as he caught that ball, leaving him all alone with nobody behind him was possibly the worst play by a single defender I've ever seen. WTF was he thinking? Just horrific!

 

Complete brain snap.

Poor guy, he fronted the media post game and owned it too. Rookie 2nd round safety.

 

On top of that he cut down his own guy that might have tackled him. Most of these idiots don't tackle, they throw shoulders at them. And he really needed to tackle to keep him in bounds and run out the clock. He's toast in NO.