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Jay Cutler>Mike Vike>Vince Young

Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by dbc5631, Nov 28, 2010.

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Very nice response, but you're using past tendencies to make your argument. Cutler has kept his bad habit of throwing to the other team, where Vince has shaken that off. In the 3 months that Vince played in this season, Vince has only had two games where he flung one to the other team. Two games compared to Cutlers six. Cutler is almost guaranteed to turn the ball over through the air. Vince is not. Like I said; Cutler IS an interception machine, Vince was, but no longer is.
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Vince's last INT came in a hail mary attempt where he was trying to come back after sitting out (Miami game).

So Vince threw picks in 1 game this season against the Steelers...the best defense in the league.

#121 CJtheBeast, Dec 30, 2010
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stop posting your sucky comments then

Oh I thought you were CJtheBeast's brother
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Call me what you want but I was right about this team at the beginning of the year and I was right about Fisher.

I know my football and if you wanna debate then shoot

#122 CJtheBeast, Dec 30, 2010
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stop posting your sucky comments then

Oh I thought you were CJtheBeast's brother
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I'll high-five you for that, but only because smiles icons make some things funny.

#123 JCBRAVE, Dec 30, 2010
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Screw you dude. I'm not hating the guy. I take exception to being labeled a hater. I don't call JC or anyone else a "jock-sniffer" or whatever. Show some respect to me or I shall deny it to you.
You guys can insist that VY was fine and nothing was wrong with his hand but the fact is he wasn't fine and if he was he wouldn't of had surgery. The dude could hardly grip the football at all. I saw him sail a pass with zero control. It was the consensus of the staff that he couldn't go. I don't care who wraps what how often, I'm not going to entertain the idea that VY was hunky dory and big mean Fisher wouldn't let him play. That is fantasy.

Furthermore, grow a thicker skin and don't be so damn sensitive, like VY is being persecuted here, like people who are unimpressed with him are being unfair to him. I haven't been unfair, I've just effectively demonstrated that VY is nothing special and neither is Cutler. I'm not having a soap box rant, I'm referencing stats and constructing paragraphs. My posts are of a whole lot better quality than some of yours (by that I'm referencing about three different posters) that liken me to another poster, directly insult another guy personally by calling him, what was it? A dyslexic retard? Something along those lines? And now you, taking my comments out of their context for either lack of understanding or denial of the truth.

look man, I'm not even sure who you are but let me set you straight on a few facts. On this forum, before VY was drafted, I was a HUGE supporter of drafting the guy. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY was happier than I that the Titans selected him at #3. Through the years and the chronic disappointments, through the triumphs, the highs and the lows, I've stuck with the guy, by in large, giving him every opportunity to win me back. I got back on the bandwagon a few times already. He quit on this team twice. VY is a quitter when things get too hard. That's a documented fact. Evidence of this fact was throwing his gear in the stands and cursing out his coach.

My hope was that he would finally have that break out year and out of the gate, with the exception of the Steelers game, I thought VY had made great strides, and he has, by in large but when weighed against the way he has dealt with adversity and his own personal handicap as far as his self conduct is concerned, it's not enough in my estimation to offset his drama.

I got fully behind him once he was reinstated as the starter after the 2008 debacle. After half a season of work last year I was 100% behind the guy although cautiously optimistic. I'm sorry, but after the way he carelessly injured himself and the way he dealt with it, rather, didn't deal with it, enough is enough.

VY has convinced me that he will never be what I thought he could be, what I believed him to be. I don't hate him for it. I'm just disappointed and not willing to create rationale, schema or mechanism to support him. He has to come back next year and show me if he wants to change my mind. He's done it before. If he doesn't come back and do that I won't miss him. I wish the guy well if he leaves and should he be kept I'll be rooting for him, but f that race charged "hater" label. That's bull. I'll tell you what I hate... when clowns that blindly support a $#!tty man child qb take to allegations of racism when they can't support their guy with a stat better than a 98.6 passer rating that doesn't even qualify for minimum starts.
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haters gonna hate...

#124 CRUDS, Dec 30, 2010
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By the way...I consider the "Haters gonna hate" response a cop out by someone who cannot refute what he is trying to respond to, and I am guessing several other folks do as well.
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haters gonna hate

#125 CRUDS, Dec 30, 2010
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I know my football and if you wanna debate then shoot
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Bwahahahaha!

#126 CRUDS, Dec 30, 2010
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did you get that football helmet full of green m&m's that you wanted for Christmas, Cruds?

#127 SEC 330 BIPOLAR, Dec 30, 2010
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did you get that football helmet full of green m&m's that you wanted for Christmas, Cruds?
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Naw, it got sent to CostaRica2's house by mistake and he threw away all the W's..

#128 CRUDS, Dec 30, 2010
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seriously, can you imagine how many int's VY would have thrown by now if he had the 2,168 attempts that Jay Cutler has? VY has 1190 career attempts.
That's 978 more attempts Jay Cutler has. That's a lot of damn attempts.

They throw interceptions at basically the same rate.

42/1190 is very close to 77/2168.

so let's not act like 10 of 16 for 118 yards with a TD or 13 of 17 for 154 yards with 2 TD's is some kind of awesome stat line.

Cutler has over 15,ooo passing yards where VY has a smidge over 8,ooo yards.

We are talking about a difference of over 7,000 yards. Comparing these two is kind of silly. The more TD's and yards you have the less interceptions mean.

VY had 42 career TD's and 42 career ints.
Cutler has OVER 100 TD's.

Get back to me when VY has 25 more TD's than int's like Cutler.
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is that all you got CJtheBeast? It's been "shot". You can just suck on it? Refute it line by line Mr. Debater. :chicken:

Cutler has 100 TD's because he works hard, sees the field and isn't often injured. When Vince Young isn't "just winning" he's healing up or trying to get his job back after acting like a jack arse again.

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You saw him sail a ball all the way from 330 huh? Impressive. And of course he intentionally hurt himself. He had enough and timed it just right and landed his hand right on that helmet. Have you ever played football or any sport for that matter?? Tape is usually the first method of treatment.

#130 SoCalTitan867, Jan 1, 2011

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