It's Just Offensive

Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by Dangermode, Apr 14, 2019.

  1. abc2330

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    If Delanie's production doesn't tell you something about Mariota's ability to "elevate" players, then I'm not sure what will. First of all, you are comparing his production with MM to excellent QBs like Jake Locker and Zack Mettenberger. And his second most productive season actually came with those guys, prior to Mariota's arrival . His most productive season came when Mariota missed 1/4 of the games. With Mariota in the lineup, Delanie averaged a whopping 0.5 more yards per game.

    That's what Mariota gives you-backup-caliber production. Which makes it difficult for me to judge Taylor, Sharpe, or any of these other guys. People look at their numbers and inconsistency and claim that they aren't very good. While if you look at our QB's numbers and inconsistency- neither is he.
     
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  2. Gut

    Gut Pro Bowler

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    So you're agreeing that with Mariota he was BETTER...but that's somehow bad? First you state he didn't make Walker better...then you agree above he WAS better...but that's not good? LOL

    With Mariota as a rookie in 2015, Delanie had 61 catches for 818 and 6 TD's in 12 games with Mariota...which is about his career high in 3/4 of the season. Wow...what a horrible showing. Don't you just hate it when players reach their career high stats in 3/4 of a season! That QB must be really hurting his production!!!

    And CD got worse last year, right? Taylor got worse last year, right? Oh wait, they both had career high years. Isn't that elevation?
     
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  3. abc2330

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    Dude. There was a 0.5 yard difference with Mariota in the lineup. Compared to QBs who aren't even in the league anymore. Is that really the standard that we should be holding him to?

    Davis and Taylor improved in year 2-as does virtually every player in the league. Does Mariota deserve credit for that?
     
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  4. Gut

    Gut Pro Bowler

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    You don't seem to understand the symbiotic nature of football and how there are many variables that impact a player's stats attributed from many different things. But you want to narrow everything down into raw stats that you don't understand. Case in point are these silly comments you make when you don't understand the context of what you're saying. You say he didn't elevate Walker...then agree that he elevated him but now it's not enough. So you're contradicting your first statement which the reality is, these direct stat to stat comparisons don't work.

    You said he didn't elevate anyone, and I just gave you three examples...but that's not good enough for you?

    For example, how do you think Tannehill has better 'stats' in raw terms but has a much lower (and below avg) qbr last year while Mariota has lesser raw stats but had an above average qbr?

    You keep wanting to b%tch and complain about raw stats when the reality is that's not how winning and losing works. And your complaints are ONLY against our qb. Why aren't you in every thread killing Conklin for a terrible year, Spain and Kline for terrible years, Jones for leading the league in sacks for a OC, Taylor for dropping big passes and TD's, Rak and Morgan for such poor sacks numbers, etc???

    Every player in the league improved in year 2??? Wow, what other incorrect info do you want to add?

    Then we'll just agree that he's made some players around him better, but not up to your liking.
     
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  5. Dangermode

    Dangermode A New Era has Begun

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    Maybe, but if a top 10 Edge we like falls to us I could see us picking up DL help post draft. But screw Suh, give me Wilkerson AND Suh!

    Seriously, how would Landry, Casey, Suh, Wilkerson, Sweat look to opposing lines.
     
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  6. abc2330

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    I can't believe this argument. We didn't spend a #2 pick on a QB so that we could get .5 more yards per game than we did with a QB who flopped out of the league.

    Nobody cares about QBR. It's crap. Do you really believe that Trubisky is the 3rd best QB in the league? Winston is a top 10 QB who is vastly superior to Aaron Rodgers? My goodness. That's as bad as PFF
     
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  7. Johnnyb

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    Maybe if our offense was on the field more, sustaining drives, and scoring points, Luck wouldn't be able to put up so many points.

    Over the past 4 games we've had against Luck (2016 and 2018), the Colts have averaged 33 minutes of TOP. That's 55% of the time of possession, even though both of those years we're supposed to be a run first team and have the better defense. That tells me that their offense is controlling the ball, and ours isn't.
     
  8. HurrayTitans!

    HurrayTitans! Pro Bowler

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    I’d agree if this last meeting wasn’t a prime example of Luck eating up the D. First 2 drives go for 90+ and eat up almost the entire half. There is literally nothing the offense could do for that. The colts will touch the ball, when that happens, the D has to get pressure and stop from dropping down early. 14 points with gabbert at the helm (won’t happen again) is almost insurmountable.
     
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  9. abc2330

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    We went 1 for 9 on 3rd down. And the defense tightened up a lot after that, while the offense was horrible the entire game

    People seem to forget that we were missing our best pass rusher and Ryan. Yet they got the ball back for the offense in the 4th when it was a one score game.
     
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  10. HurrayTitans!

    HurrayTitans! Pro Bowler

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    Yea. Maybe the first game was the better example, it was 38-3 until a late garbage time TD.
    Offense needs to do more but when they’re one dimensionally because they don’t stop Luck, that means the D needs to change.

    It has been pointed out in each of the last colts games that for whatever reason, our D sits back and plays Lucks game. They just get eaten up.
    Our offense needs to score more points every week (or almost). Our D has to stop Luck. None of the changes over Luck’s entire career have even remotely slowed him down.
     
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