I'm down to two quarterbacks. Mallet and Stanzi. Thoughts?

Discussion in 'NFL Draft' started by Tennessy XO, Apr 17, 2011.

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  1. Tennessy XO

    Tennessy XO RESIST

    Serious supporters of Cam are blinded by what he could rather than what he is.
    He will not ne able to do the same things in the NFL that he did in college. That crap gimmick offense works great in college. It works even better when you have a player like Newton running it.

    Gruden laid it out for everyone in that interview despite declaring Cam the best player in the draft. He couldn't recall a single play, pre-snap adjustment... Cam had nothing except "errrrrrrr 36". Cam gets ratings so ESPN loves Cam. Therefore Gruden is going to love Cam.

    Cam Newton cannot read a defense. He was a single read QB at Auburn. If his first option wasn't running wide open he ran. That instinct will get him hurt in the NFL.
    Just watch film of the guy. He made spectacular plays with his legs. He never once had to go out and win a game throwing the ball. He has never takin apart a defense through the air.So when you declare him a football god because of his superior passer rating be sure to go back and watch film to see exactly how he rolled up those numbers.

    When his run game was stopped he had nothing else. That NC game should have opened up so many peoples eyes. He missed wide open receivers, turned the ball over and got hit nearly every play. Auburn loses that game if not for a couple crazy plays. Oregon forced him to play quarterback and he couldn't do it.

    I'll admit Cam was a fantastic college football player. He was the most dynamic player in the country last year and Auburn doesn't even get close to the NC game without him. That doesn't mean he is going to be a successful QB in the league. What he did in college will not translate to the next level. He is not ready and his only hope is to sit behind a veteran and learn for two or three seasons. Then and only then will he have a hope of being a franchise quarterback.
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  2. Woy

    Woy PA's finest.

    Stanzi's backup James Vandenberg was better than him.
  3. PAtitansfan53

    PAtitansfan53 Kush & OJ

    2010 stats please............ :sad2:
  4. Deuce Wayne

    Deuce Wayne Crap the booze out.

    Yeah, because what a QB has done over the course of 2 years or more doesn't matter... just last year?

    In that case- Blaine Gabbert shouldn't even be discussed.
  5. Gut

    Gut Pro Bowler

    Wow....so much misinformation...

    Here's the skinny.

    Cam Newton - ridiculous numbers and has the siZe/arm strength/speed people drool over. Won the national championship despite not playing up to expectations and being banged up by an undersized d. Newton does have great numbers against both top competition and when he didn't run a lot. However,he's in experienced and very raw, needs a lot if work on transiting to the NFL - footwork, reads, learning an NFL offense, and maturing as a young man.

    Cam has hall of fame talent, but will he and can he reach his potential? His size, arm, speed, stats, national championship say yes. His coming from a simplistic spread offense, him talking about being an entertainer and icon, listing his or firm over his football ppl in his entourage, his wonderlic, and the fact that he rates closely to Alex Smith/Tim Tebow/Vince Young says NO!!!

    The only question is do you believe that being the best qb in the NFL is highly important tohim or not? He has the talent, but some people don't think he has the heart to pull it off.

    Stanzi in many ways is the opposite. Stanzi has Played in a pro style offense and has had to be a passing qb to be fictive. Stanzi has rather mediocre tools but seems to make good to great decisions - especially against top competition. The question for stanzi is how much of those stats were him and how much of those stats are because of the running games?

    Stanzi compares favorably to Brady when he was drafted. Does this mean he will become Brady? Wh

    Make up your own mind...

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  6. RollTide

    RollTide All-Pro

    Hall of fame talent is enough to draft him with the 8th pick. Who else in this draft has that? Mallett maybe.

    As for Tebow and Vince young? Tebow played pretty well for a rookie and VY could be a damn good QB if he pulled his head out from his arse. Vince also has a problem staying healthy which is something we can't know about Newton.

    As for his talk about being an icon? Who cares? And his wonderlic was fine. He is without question smarter than VY and bigger as well. So a bigger, smarter version of VY? Damn well worth an 8th pick.

    Some people think that Gabbert will be a top 3 pick and he only threw 16 Tds in 475 pass attempts playing in a gimmick spread offense.
  7. RollTide

    RollTide All-Pro


    Ok genius so in the last 2 seasons Newton's 4th quarter passing rating is 187 and Stanzi's average over 2 years is 151. So what is your point again? I'm not giving a guy points for sucking early in a game and i love Stanzi anyway.

    I love when people like you say stupid moronic things!

    Dink and dunk? Are you an idiot? He averaged over 10 yards per attempt!

    I brought this issue up only about 9 times on 8 different threads. Rbs had very few catches in that offense. It was a down field passing offense!!!!!

    He had 30 TDs in 280 attempts one per 9.33 attempts! That is not dinking and dunking that is producing big time yardage and points!

    It's your boy Ponder who was doing the dinking. In a so called "normal" offense you get those check down passes to the RBs. Newton had few of those.
  8. RollTide

    RollTide All-Pro

    Passing rating review for 1st graders..

    You cannot get a high passing rating by just completing short so called dink and dunk passes. A passing rating is based on results per pass. If your yards per pass attempt is low that lowers your rating.

    A completed 5 yard pass is certainly better than a 0 yard incomplete pass but a yardage producer usually has a higher passing rating than a guy with a slightly higher comp % but less yards per attempt.

    In the nfl the average yards per pass attempt is 7. 7 yards per attempt. There are QBs in this draft who could not do that in college(Ponder, Gabbert). Cam Newton produced 10.14 yards per pass attempt! Only an idiot would call that dink and dunk.

    Ok so he is producing that much yardage so he must be taking chances down the field right and producing more turnovers? No he had only 7 ints in 14 games.

    Ok so he is throwing for a lot of yardage but his comp rate can't be good right? No he completed 66% of his passes.

    So where is the weakness?

    People say he was in a one read offense. Ok so how did he do with the read he had on each pass play called? To say he can't read defenses you have to argue that he made bad reads within the offense he played in. Remembering of course that he was playing against the fastest and most athletic defenses in the country. You don't produce those numbers by making dumb decisions.

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    The whole purpose of Gruden's "QB Camp" is to help these kids get drafted to the right team. He's too smart to paint them in a negative light, costing them potential millions. He wants them to succeed and benefit from doing his show. I hope they keep it going, Gruden seems perfect for this role he's now playing.

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    IDK that Cam is or isn't smarter than Vince, he speaks better, but that's all he's got on VY.
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