Giant Haynesworth deal will have ripple effect

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  1. NewsGrabber

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    <em>Posted by ESPN.com's Paul Kuharsky</em> <p> <table border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" align="right"> <tr> <td> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" bgcolor="#c0c0c0"> <tr> <td> <table border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1" width="100%"> <tr> <td bgcolor="#ffffff"><img src="http://assets.espn.go.com/i/headshots/nfl/players/65/3543.jpg" alt="" hspace="1" vspace="1" width="65" height="90" align="left" /></td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> <font face="Arial" size="1" style="line-height: 1.5em">&nbsp;&nbsp;<font color="#808080">Haynesworth</font> </font></td> </tr> </table> </p> <p>INDIANAPOLIS -- The numbers flying around the scouting combine are baffling, but we shouldn't be surprised.</p> <p>After Oakland signed cornerback <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4489" target="_new">Nnamdi Asomugha</a> to a deal averaging $15 million a year, the scouting combine buzz has been that a free-agent package for Titans defensive tackle <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3543" target="_new">Albert Haynesworth</a> could come in the form of a six-year contract technically worth $100 million.</p> <p>Chicago's <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=5539" target="_new">Tommie Harris</a> currently ranks as the NFL's highest-priced defensive tackle at roughly $10 million a year. It's a big jump to go from the $7.25 million franchise tag to the top paid player at the position, never mind the top paid player on defense in the league.</p> <p>And consider this element of the potential leap Haynesworth could make: the franchise number for tackles, which is the average of the 10 highest paid players at the position, ranks last among the five defensive positions.</p> <p>Franchise numbers on defense:</p> <table border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="250" bgcolor="#c0c0c0"> <tr> <td> <table border="0" cellspacing="1" width="100%"> <tr> <td colspan="2" bgcolor="#99ccff"><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000000"><strong>Franchise player values on defense</strong> </font></td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#f4f4f4"><font face="Verdana" size="1">Cornerback</font></td> <td bgcolor="#f4f4f4"><font face="Verdana" size="1">$9.95 million</font></td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#f4f4f4"><font face="Verdana" size="1">Defensive end</font></td> <td bgcolor="#f4f4f4"><font face="Verdana" size="1">$8.991 million</font></td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#f4f4f4"><font face="Verdana" size="1">Linebacker</font></td> <td bgcolor="#f4f4f4"><font face="Verdana" size="1">$8.304 million</font></td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#f4f4f4"><font face="Verdana" size="1">Safety</font></td> <td bgcolor="#f4f4f4"><font face="Verdana" size="1">$6.342 million</font></td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#f4f4f4"><font face="Verdana" size="1">Defensive tackle</font></td> <td bgcolor="#f4f4f4"><font face="Verdana" size="1">$6.058 million</font></td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> <p>At the scouting combine, I asked a variety of front-office guys some of these questions: Could a defensive tackle be worthy of being the highest-paid defender? Would a deal that makes him so screw up salary structures? What sort of impact would it have in terms of precedent?</p> <p>No one really regarded it as a doomsday scenario, which surprised me a bit. I guess everyone has come to terms with the giant contract to the biggest free agent, and learned to simply brace for the next one.</p> <p>Thirty-one teams may wind up thinking the franchise that backs up a Brinks truck to the Haynesworth residence has gone overboard. But the rest of the league won't be able to wall themselves off from its impact, as they will all feel a ripple effect in time -- and probably not a very long time.</p> <p>OK, then. Here's a sampling of what some NFL power brokers think about all that. Most talked about a hypothetical defensive tackle rather than Haynesworth specifically.</p> <p><strong>Thomas Dimitroff, GM, Atlanta: </strong>I think free agency in general throws a lot of things off. When you look at it from a business perspective and you look at our cap, ultimately that's not how we want to personally build. We want to stress the draft. To throw double-digit millions in guaranteed money and a high average-per-year money into a player who is not a part of your system and coming from another situation, that really has me back on my heels a little bit to be honest with you. We would have to do a lot of work when evaluating that. Again, I think there are some fine football players in the draft that you can continue to develop. Ray Hamilton, in my mind, is a top defensive line coach. I think he gets the most out of those guys. Let's let him coach football. Let him coach the young players. That's my position.</p> <p><strong>Kevin Colbert, director of football operations, Pittsburgh: </strong>I don't think you can ever limit the salary structure to a position. If you feel a player is that good, then you better pay him. People talk about, 'Well, traditionally you don't draft safeties real high,' I think that's been proven wrong as well. If they are great players, it doesn't matter what position they play, they can help your team in some form or fashion. And if they're that great, they're probably going to change the salary structures as well.</p> <p><strong>Jim Schwartz, coach, Detroit: </strong>I think when you talk about high-priced players anywhere, you talk about people who can impact the game. Maybe not just from a fan standpoint, but from a coaching and a scheme standpoint. Left tackles get paid a lot of money, not because it looks real pretty on TV or in the media, but because of what he does for an offensive coordinator and his protects and things like that. You've got to have ability to impact the game -- corners who can shut down somebody, pass-rushers who can win one-on-ones, those guys impact the game. Running [backs] who can run against eight-man fronts, they impact the game. Quarterbacks impact the game. Hypothetically, if there's a defensive tackle who dominates the game, there's no reason he wouldn't be the highest paid player.</p> <p><strong>Ted Thompson, GM, Green Bay: </strong>In terms of just a generic position thing, quite frankly, the defensive line position -- I know the defensive end position is a little bit more glorified, more sacks and things -- but defensive tackles, since the onset of free agency, have always made quite a bit of money. They might not have been right at the top in terms of the groupings, but no, that wouldn't be a remarkable surprise.</p> <p><strong>Scot McCloughan, GM, 49ers: </strong>You know what? It wouldn't surprise me at all. That's the one thing about free agency, and that's the one thing about organizations that have done a good job, they have some cap room, and all of a sudden it gets to the point where they think that one guy can make them be a Super Bowl contender. I think it's proved out especially at the corner position. All it takes it one team to say, 'Listen, we're doing it.' Then it sets the market for the future. It's a scary business ....</p> <p>It's going to affect the long term, all of the sudden it set a precedent. Here it is: 'My guy is as good as him.' Or, 'My guy is half as good as him, so I get half the money.' Seriously. You can see it with [Oakland punter Shane] Lechler. What we got there, that sets a precedent -- $4 million a year for a punter ...</p> <p>Holy smokes, here we go. You better draft a good one. We've got one locked in [<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=5713" target="_new">Andy Lee</a>]. But agents are calling. I don't blame them, would you? I've got [a punter] that was in the Pro Bowl two years ago, was an alternate for the Pro Bowl this year and he makes a quarter [of that]. What's wrong with him? Well, he signed the deal.</p> <p>You can't stop the market from being set, teams are going to set it. But once it's set, you've got to stay in it. If you want to dance with the good-looking girl, this is what you're going to have to pay. It's scary. That's why the draft's so important, you've got to be able to draft those young guys and know they're going to play and maybe not have the All-Pro, but have a good football player next to a good football player and be able to win a lot of games with them.</p>

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  2. fitantitans

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    How can any team pay one player $100 million dollars and justify it to his team mates who would have to pool their money to match his?
     
  3. Chapparal97

    Chapparal97 Grumpy Old Fart

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    Let him walk. I'll say it again, we can find similar performance for half the money.
     
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    I'd really like to believe that other teams would be apprehensive about signing Haynesworth to some blockbuster deal, but then I remember Nate Clements. I bet Haynesworth still thinks he should be the highest paid defensive player in the league. As good as he is, I believe I would easily take Asomugha over him. I think the best we can hope for is that Haynesworth tests free agency, and finds out he's not worth what he thinks he is (due to the system he plays in, injury history, character issues etc...), but I don't see it happening. As much as I would hate for the team to lose Haynesworth, I would hate even more to see him rope the team into an extremely long and expensive contract. There's no way he plays at his current level for the next six years. Probably not even the next three years.
     
  5. Gunny

    Gunny Shoutbox Fuhrer

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    Yeah because All-Pro DTs grow on trees.
     
  6. Childress79

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    When teams make a player the highest paid at their position it rarely works out that they get value out of doing so.

    What has Clements done for the 49ers?Does anyone really think the Raiders have done the right thing with their CB and Punter?

    With the economy the way it is the Salary Cap bubble is not going to keep growing.I don't want Albert to leave but IMO any more than $11-12 mill per year is too high a price no matter how much of a difference maker that player is.

    It's too much unless a guy has proven to be a leader in the locker room and a consistent game changer on the field.

    Paying someone on your team who doesn't fit that profile will lead to trouble.

    Bulluck has been our highest earning player for the last two years and he deserves it.He's unselfish,a great player and a leader. No one questions his value.

    I'm not a Jared Allen fan but he seems to have taken on the leadership role in Minnesota.If your getting that kind of money you need to do.

    I just can't ever see Albert doing that for any price.He'll always put himself before the team.

    He has the talent to match his price tag but nothing else.Time to move on.
     
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    I agree with what someone said earlier, how long can Al keep up this pace? He's not getting younger and he's not getting healthier. At his current pace, he takes himself out of the game alot. Has an injury list a mile long and has shown at times, little motivation. What's this profile going to look like in two years?
    We can not afford to put all our eggs into one basket. Especially a basket that doesn't hold together too well.
    I would gladly trade Al for 2 -3 other players, that's what we can buy if we let him walk. He's not worth the investment.
     
  8. jessestylex

    jessestylex DeadGirlsCantSayNo

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    Dont worry guys, the Titans arent stupid, they will not over pay Hanesworth. imo out of all the teams wanting Hanesworth the Titans will be the ones to give him the lowest bid.

    Hanesworth has officially over hyped him self by demanding a lot of money and some people really thinks he is worth it just cause he said so. You dont need Hanesworth to reach the SB imo you just need a decent defense and some fire power.
     
  9. ColtKiller

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    Everyone knows Haynesworth is one of the best DT in the league and the Titans are letting him stroll right into unrestricted free agency. That in itself may dent his stock slightly, other team's GM's may be wondering exactly what it is about him that makes the Titans so lackadaisical in their approach...like I've said from the get go: if we can get him at a reasonable price, sign him. But we can't. He's already driving a brand new Ferrari, we know where his head is and if all he's concerned about is making more then anyone else in the league, let him make it in Oakland and never win a damn ring.
     
  10. Gut

    Gut Pro Bowler

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    Well...

    The reality is...

    Haynesworth IS arguably the best defensive player in the game right now. I would NOT want Asomugha instead...especially at $15mil/yr.

    Unless you're Ton Brady or Peyton Manning, no player is worth that kind of money. While Haynesworth is that dominant right now, he's unlikely to be for the next 4 years so at some point we'll have to overpay him...for perhaps a couple of years or take a big cap hit to cut him. A FO would trade this for a good shot at a SB or two however.

    He's in the prime of his athleticism and probably is a dominant player for 2 more years before he starts to decline. Of course, he could still be a good player in years 4-6, but probably not a great one. Then again, how is a 12mil/yr contract gonna look 4 years from now when the elite players are making $20mil/yr?

    Personlly, I think Haynesworth is worth a contract slightly better than Jared Allen's. Right now, he's a better player even though they both are excellent. Considering the effects of a luxury tax, his familiarity with our system and how well he fits as a player, and how he 'grew up' here, I think he'd stay for that kind of money.

    PROS - he'll keep our defense top 5 for a few years - giving us a good chance to contend for a SB. No other player like him available in free agency or in the draft...period. Could be a key piece in getting the team to the SB. His ascendance pushed the D into the excellent category almost singlehandedly.

    CONS - will be overpaid by todays standards in years 4-6, doesn't play 100% of his snaps, has previously been awesome when playing for a big contract. Moderate risk in signing him without structuring the contract very well.

    Gut
     
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