Dinger a miracle worker...BS

Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by RollTide, Jul 29, 2008.

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  1. avvie

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    It's not. It never is. Football stats rely on entirely too many variables to be anywhere close to accurate. RT will try to make his point with numbers alone (as usual), which is silly in this sport. Baseball, maybe... football, no.
     
  2. Nine

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    So you're saying that the scheme and playcalling were solid?

    There's no question that the problems extended well beyond Norm Chow. There were problems at several levels last year. Vince was inconsistent and inexperienced, the RB corps had little or no big-play potential, the receivers literally dropped as many TD's as they caught, the TE's were inconsistent from day one....the list goes on.

    The Titans addressed all of these issues in the offseason. They added new personnel at a number of positions; players who were still inconsistent after 3+ years (BJones, Scaife, Troupe, etc) were either relegated to backup status or shown the door.

    They took the same approach with Chow; in his case, the organization clearly felt that dismissal was more appropriate than demotion.

    Chow wasn't a scapegoat. He was just a piece of the puzzle.
     
  3. Psychop1

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    Why didn't you say we picked those hall of famers???

    Rod Smith may have never even had a chance to be good without Heimerdinger. An undrafted free agent that was mostly an afterthought. Are you truly naive enough to believe he had nothing to do with it???

    I guess he was just lucky. Rod Smith became a pro bowl caliber WR all on his own. It couldn't happen again, right??? Then comes Derrick Mason, a fourth rounder riding the bench, Drew Bennett, an undrafted free agent most didn't give a second thought to, and Justin McCareins, a fourth rounder. Heimerdinger had success with all of them. I guess here's to Heimerdinger remaining consistently lucky. :beer2:

    He hasn't only had success with WR's, he has a decent track record with QB's as well. McNair played his best ball under Heimerdinger, and even Billy Volek, who you continue to ignore because it's the truth, looked like a champion under Heimerdinger. In Denver, he was Cutler's QB coach. Not surprisingly, Cutler has had a lot more success than Young and Leinart so far. I guess you could be right though. He could just be lucky again and again.

    Another thing. When Heimerdinger says there is talent on this team at WR, I believe him. He's made a career out of taking players most others didn't want, honing their skills and making them play successfully in his scheme. It doesn't mean it will happen over night (and it usually doesn't), but I believe he will eventually build a high-powered offense here. That's not walking on water.
     
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  4. RollTide

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    We were 13th in third down effectiveness last year. We were tied for 11th in red zone possessions. You have to get that far in the first place right?

    The vikings were 6th in red zone effectiveness. You know how many more TDs they had than us? 1. They had 21 tds we had 20. They also kicked 16 fewer FGs! How could that be? Because we got there 20 more times.

    Nice comparison i think since both teams had young 2nd year QBs and few good WRs. Their top WR was our #2 WR in 06. But chow didn't have adrian peterson or a running game that averaged 5.6 yards a carry.

    We were in scoring territory 55 times several teams didn't even get there 40 times and the 49ers only 29.
     
  5. RollTide

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    Damn straight! Rod smith had the speed, the catching ability and the willingness to catch the ball over the middle. Dinger can't teach those things. And please don't tell me a damn WR coach had anything to do with durability and longevity. Rod smith was a good player whether dinger was there or not and anyone who thinks a position coach can make a player doesn't know crap about football. If dinger worked hard at promoting the kid to give him a chance that's fine but he did all the work and had the talent.

    Players like manning, harrison, brady, tomlinson are not good because of some stupid position coach. Get a clue!
     
  6. maximus

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    Dinger is a better than Chow because he developed his own talent. It was Dinger who played the largest hand in McNair going from an average QB to a MVP QB.
    It was Chow that allowed VY's footwork to slide and caused our redzone offense to be the last in the league.
    As for what Dinger can do with today's Titans, that remains to be seen. Dinger's proven results give great cause for optimism
     
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  7. maximus

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    The Jets were the only team that he was an OC for. You can't use another OC stats (on a staff that he was apart of) to show what kind of coach he is, unless you are trying to point to the improvement or drop off of production
     
  8. maximus

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    Are you kiddin me?
    Coaches develop the player.
    The player with the right heart and abilities can take what the coaches tell him and make himself a better player.
    Akili Smith had talent. Where's he. Ryan Leaf had talent, where's he?
    Andre Woolfolk had talent, where's he. Tyronne Calico had talent, where's he.
    Andre Woolfolk had the same coaching that the other DB's had. The same DB coaches that made Rolle a shut down corner
    Calico had the same coaching as Brandon Jones, Roydell Williams, and Courtney Roby.
    You don't make it to the NFL without talent. It takes an honest and open heart, with a hard working work ethic, and a good coach to make a player successful.
     
  9. RollTide

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    In the 5 years dinger was our OC our average combined ranking for total and scoring defense was 11.5. A solid number to be sure but hardly overwhelming considering the talent and experience he had to work with. Given the talent, experience and stability i would hardly rate 11.5 as a miracle. Good, solid but not other worldly.

    In chow's time at that job our average combined ranking was 20th. To read some of the posts here you would think we were top 5 with dinger and bottom 5 with chow. Obviously not the case. How much of that 8.5 place difference in ranking had to do with the players they had at their disposal? Chow never had mason or wycheck. In fact we opened camp last year without our 2 top Wrs from the previous season.

    That is the whole point of this thread. That dinger while a good coach maybe isn't quite as God like as some think. And chow probably not as bad as many think.
     
  10. VolnTitan

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    With our def. playing the way it has, the difference btwn the 20th ranked offense and the 11th ranked offense could be huge.
     
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