Gruden Out!

Good ol Bud I still have my GoTitans t shirt of him giving the middle finger somewhere.

 

Ding ding ding!!!

 

If anyone has spent any amount of time in a lockeroom growing up then you can read the articles and understand that what Gruden said isn’t even the worst emails they found. This is a cover up from the WFT owner. He doesn’t want the real details to come out. Especially since Gruden is being dragged for what he said 10 years ago…

 

The WTF emails will be released, lol.

If he shows up in the new Chucky TV series, that would be worth watching. Just an awkward staredown would be must see tv.

 

No one is going on any witch hunts in the NFL. I doubt anyone set out to “get Gruden.” And he was certainly unlucky that this email came to light. It was rather random that it did, and I can completely understand the sense of unfairness that comes from that. I get that part of what you are saying. But there is no way that once it comes out those perceivable unfair factor can mitigate the out. Regardless of how it came out or the circumstances surrounding it, the jeenie is out of the bottle, the damage is done and nothing can be done about.

 

I disagree with a lot of this but you’re right in the idea it can’t be unseen.

It didn’t need to be publicly released. No one gains anything from that unless it’s (another) attempt by the NFL to appear as if they’re sensitive to these issues. They are 100% not.

The NFL also should recognize that this was 10 years ago and partially on them for not catching it sooner/being a part of a larger company allowing the redskins to operate like they did.

I also don’t like the general “intimidate until resign” or fire people for historical communications.
A) it is not consistently enforced (note our POTUS as an example).
B) it is assumed that people don’t change and something said 10 years ago is still representative of them today. (I’ll ask anyone here, are you the same as you were 10 years ago? Especially if you’ve had any life epiphany?)
C) why is our general society ok with life training/rehabilitation in so many other settings but come across something like this, assume he meant the absolute worst, and has no ability to learn or receive some sort of training to learn why not to say/do this? For comparison sake, the US largely believes that someone who kills another person, can be taught and learn to still go back among society. I’d say this is a much lesser crime and likely easier to teach from. We’re a country built on many second chances after major mistakes. This has been deemed unredeemable from for Gruden.

 

Very respectful post of all viewpoints on the matter.

I heard a phrase last night on a news program discussing the cancel culture. "Thought crimes" are more severely punished than "violent crimes" in this new cancel culture. And the problem with this is just as you pointed out above. "Thought crimes" are subjective and can not be enforced fairly and equally. Truthfully, they can not even be defined in non arbitrary terms.

This paradigm shift really worries me as an older person. I view this cancel culture methodology in the same light as I do vigilante justice, lynch mob and witch hunt mentality. Individuals and their livelihood are arbitrarily destroyed to advance economic power interests of a segment of the population. And it utilizes socio/political/religious frustrations from the populus as its power base to do so. Lynch mobs, Witch Trials, totalitarianism, communism, hell- even getting an entire country to support genocide- it all follows the same basic formula. Left unchecked, it is very dangerous to the preservation of our current way of life in this US.

 

on point.
While the Gruden case on its own is really not all that big a deal, match with a lot of other similarly subjective instances and we have entered a slippery slope of approval on these topics and how they’ve been handled. There is absolutely a bigger pictures issue when people defend Gruden not to mention the misunderstanding of defending Gruden in a freedom of speech fashion vs defending what he actually said.

There is a a general misunderstanding (or unwillingness to) that defending an a$sh01e’s opinion to say something (really words don’t hurt anyone, we can all ignore and move on) is not the same as defending and agreeing with the specifics of what was said.