PFFing Jon Robinson

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  1. Dangermode

    Dangermode A New Era has Begun

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    So, we all know about the PFF grading system, so I thought I’d grade JRob, because, well, why not. I’ll grade him in three parts. Draft picks, Trades and Free Agency. First up, drafting.

    The PFF Grading Scale: Each player is given a grade of -2 to +2 in 0.5 increments on a given play with 0 generally being the average or “expected” grade.

    For our purposes, Jrob will be graded on a similar grading scale per pick.

    *Picks in Rounds 1-3 will receive positive or negative grades, while picks in rounds 4-UDFA will only receive a 0 or above grade, since the “expectation” is that little will come of these players anyway.

    So, let’s begin.

    2016

    Jack Conklin +2 (Two Time All Pro)

    Kevin Dodd -2 (Bust, out of the league in 2 years)

    Austin Johnson 0 (Consistent role player, still in the league)

    Derrick Henry +2 (Hail to the King, Baby)

    Kevin Byard +2 (Pro Bowl safety in the 3rd)

    Tajae Sharpe +1 (Solid role player and part time starter in the 5th)

    Leshaun Simms +0.5 (solid role player, still in the league)

    2017

    Corey Davis +1 (solid #2, possibly #1 in New York)

    Adoree Jackson +1 (Solid CB with still untapped potential)

    Taywan Taylor -1.5 (Minus 1 for being lousy, -0.5 for us trading up to get him)

    Jonnu Smith +1.5 (Pro bowl quality TE in the 3rd)

    Jayon Brown +2 (positional top 20 starter in the 5th)

    2018

    Rashaan Evans 0 (solid starter but nothing special)

    Harold Landry +1 (solid starter in the 2nd)

    Dane Cruickshank +.05 (Quality backup and special teams ace in the 5th)

    2019

    Jeffrey Simmons +2 (The Beast)

    AJ Brown +2 (#1 WR in the late 2nd)

    Nate Davis +1.5 (Solid starter in the 3rd, received multiple All Pro votes last year)

    Amani Hooker +1.5 (solid starter in the 4th)

    David Long Jr. +1 (possible solid starter in the 6th)

    2020

    Isaiah Wilson -2 (Dumpster fire)

    Kristian Fulton 0 (too early to tell)

    Darrington Evans 0 (too early to tell)


    Okay, so PFF compiles these numbers and assigns a grade based on the totals. Now because they don’t tell us exactly how that works, I’m going to change each of these scores into a number grade as follows:

    -2=0 -1.5=12.5 -1=25 -.5=37.5 0=50 +.5=62.5 +1=75 +1.5=87.5 +2=100

    Then I’ll average them.

    2016: 487.5 total points or a grade of 69.6

    2017: 350 total points or a grade of 70

    2018: 187.5 total points or a grade of 62.5

    2019: 450 total points or a grade of 90

    2020: 100 total points or a grade of 33.3

    Overall: 1,575 total points or a grade of 68.5

    However, if we take away last year since it’s really too early to tell on Fulton or Evans, his overall grade goes up to an impressive 73.75

    What do you guys think?

    Next up, Trades.
     
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  4. steverife

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    Two thoughts...

    1) I'm not sure this means anything if we don't compare to other GM's.

    2) The Taywan Taylor grades seems a little harsh. I bet you didn't know that, in Taylor's 2nd year with the Tits, he had more catches and more yards than Jonnu has gotten in any of his 4 years. And we traded him for a draft pick.
     
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  7. titansrule00000

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    you’ve got a lot of free time! Cool post not gonna lie though I skipped a lot of it and scrolled down to the bottom to see what you graded him lol
     
    #3 titansrule00000, Mar 26, 2021
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  10. Dangermode

    Dangermode A New Era has Begun

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    1) If we assume that 50 would be the “expected” grade for an average GM, Jrob clearly has far more hits than misses and his grade reflects that.

    2) I respect that but one year of average production would still leave him at zero or below at best. If others agree about Taywan, I’ll modify the grade.
     
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  13. JCBRAVE

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    I think your assessment is pretty accurate
     
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  16. steverife

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    Nah, it is your grade. Biggest thing about Taylor is that 2 of the 4 next WR's taken were Chris Godwin and Kenny Golladay.

    I'd probably got lower on Sharper, higher on Evans, lower on Hooker, lower on Fulton, lower on the 2nd D Evans.
     
    #6 steverife, Mar 26, 2021
  19. Dman5TX

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    I don’t think we can assume the average grade is 50 though. Could be lower, could be higher. Obviously, not going to ask you to do every GM but that would be the only real way to compare them. (Paging Riverman). Hard to compare him against nothing, especially in this scenario where we are creating a new way to look at his performance.

    I think your assessment of the picks so far is pretty fair and spot on. Good job. I think the Dodd (not sure why this one is so triggering) and Wilson picks really cloud the judgement for some posters on here. JRob has been pretty solid in the draft.
     
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  22. Dman5TX

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    I guess you could technically say 50 is average and you are either above and below it. That makes sense too.
     
    #8 Dman5TX, Mar 26, 2021
  25. JCBRAVE

    JCBRAVE goTitans 2019 Survivor Champion

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    50 in sports isnt average

    60-70 grades are average in order to just keep a job

    JR flipped this roster on its head his first year, what he did was crazy turnover

    Hes a good GM, were lucky to have him
     
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  28. TitanJeff

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    Nice thread. Thanks for the effort. Two things:

    A score between 2 and -2 might be a bit too narrow. I have no idea how much it should expand but A.J. Brown and Simmons have the same score though I think A.J. is considered a better WR than Simmons a DT compared to those who play their positions across the league.

    Then you have the difference between a player who touches the ball vs. doesn't. Putting a value on a position in a team sport is challenging.

    And I'd like to see a couple of other GMs ranked for comparison too.
     
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