Rumor Deshaun Watson wants out of Houston?

Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by VondyP, Jan 7, 2021.

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  1. Tuckfro42

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    Hahaha! Is Deshaun trying every licensed masseuse in the country until he finds the one he likes?
     
  2. 10ECTyrant

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    It’s called a fetish
     
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  3. Ontario Titan

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    It's obviously a sex related thing, if he just wanted a massage I'm sure the Texans have that on staff.
     
  4. Alzarius

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    You can be a great person and still have a sex addiction in one form or the other.

    His past or rep doesn't mean crap. All that matters is are these accusers telling the truth. How much would you care about Watsons reputation if one of your daughters were one of the accusers?

    I haven't seen any cases where 20+ people come out and its all BS. You can bring up the Duke lacrosse team all you want but its apples and oranges. Where there's smoke........ .


    Its actually kinda sad, and infuriating to see some of the replies in here.
     
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  5. TitanMark

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    I’m saying the article is interesting, that’s it.


    However, your definition of this case as a hearsay case is laughable. It surely isn’t. There is actual evidence that exists whether you want to admit it or not. Texts messages, phone records. Video or audio and the NDAs Watson people tried to get some of these women to sign are most assuredly evidence and make this more than a he said she said. It’s clear more than ever that Watsons lawyer Hardin is swimming upstream and that Buzbee has a lot more than has been released to the public.

    But yes, I’m saying your assumption that he has a great reputation isn’t relevant. That’s the point of the article. Nobody really knows him that well, damn sure not you unless you are hiding a connection to Watson and in that case your position would make sense. I live in Houston. Watson doesn’t so much here, this was JJ Watts town. Watson isn’t very involved in the community. The fact he has never been arrested or in trouble before this could be said about a lot of the most vicious criminals in our history. Ted Bundy was a budding political superstar before he got arrested.

    Keep something in mind. If this goes to a civil or criminal jury. The jury won’t be made up of NFL players or Millionaires. It will be made up of men and women who don’t have millions of dollars or the power he has and they will have a tough time understanding why a professional athlete in a committed relationship and with access to an NFL training staff and the best physical care imaginable would violate CDC guidelines, NFL COVID rules and seek out dozens of random women on Instagram for the purposes of massage and what he now claims was consensual sex and then starts asking for NDAs before and after. Which Buzbee has copes of , plus more proof he claim. Watsons lawyer claims Watson was being blackmailed by one of these woman. So instead of hiring a lawyer, or contacting the police he does what? He demands a trade out of Houston.

    You see where this is going now? You don’t see the tremendous amount of thick bling smoke?

    He is admitting to the sex now, but saying it was consensual. Before it was nothing happened. Now the story is if something happened it was consensual.

    Watson absolutely deserves his day in court and he will get it. I agree with you that we don’t, none of us know exactly what happened. But it is clear something happened. This isn’t a completely made up conspiracy.
     
  6. Riverman

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    I sense it matters a lot to you that Watson is found guilty and punished. don’t be disappointed if it settles.
     
  7. Ontario Titan

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    At this point, who cares...it will unfold eventually.
     
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    I’m not going to be disappointed. I want Justice done. If he settles regardless of why he settles justice is done because the plaintiffs decided what was best for them. If he is charged and convicted or not charged and found not guilty or not changed at all justice is done.

    He should get his opportunity to be judged.
     
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  9. wrench248

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    I agree that a person's reputation has an ability to propel them from escaping legal consequences even when legal liability or criminal culpability have been proven and a person's reputation alone should not completely matter. However, in my opinion, this article undermines its own credibility by writing:

    "So you can side-eye Buzbee and hold your tongue until the legal process plays out, leaving open the possibility that Watson is innocent. Perhaps he is. But if you ASSUME he’s innocent automatically — or you pen defensive columns and tweets and dance around making that assertion outright — then you’re reinforcing the entire “good guy” defense apparatus that has both destroyed and silenced so many women."

    While in a civil case, a presumption of innocence doesn't really apply, the Plaintiffs still ultimately carry the burden of persuasion, which in this particular type of civil case is preponderance of the evidence. While it is a lower burden, it is still a burden on the Plaintiffs. None of the so-called evidence either side says they have has been tested in a court of law (allegations in petitions aren't considered evidence, text messages have to be proven up, etc.), people who are keeping an open mind or "assuming Watson is automatically assumed innocent," would not be, in my opinion, necessarily reinforcing a good guy stereotype so to speak. I've been involved in the legal system for too long and I guess I am hardwired to not automatically believe every accusation that is leveled against a person, whether they are this great person, or an utter POS. Watson rejected a settlement, denies any wrongdoing, and wants his day in court. In my view, let them go to court and let the facts be heard and decided by a jury.

    What Watson is being accused of is serious and pretty horrific. The alleged victims should be treated with the utmost dignity and respect, and be allowed to make their case against Watson and not automatically presumed to be liars, whores, money seekers, whatever else people would stupidly assume. At the same time, Watson should also be treated with respect as well and given his opportunity to have the allegations tested in a court of law. If the Plaintiffs are successful, throw the book at Watson in terms of civil liability.

    In addition, to me, the above quote from article is the exact opposite of the principle that the entire system of criminal justice in this country is founded upon: innocent until proven guilty.

    Every criminal jury charge in Texas has some form of this instruction:

    Watson could be a serial sexual predator. It's also possible that all of the allegations against him won't hold up to scrutiny. It's possible that some of the allegations are legit and some are full of crap and something else in between. People should keep an open mind and not assume anything about anyone. Let the system play out.
     
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  10. Rwill

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    except as a lawyer you know the system is full of crap.

    innocent people are found guilty all the time, guilty people are let go all the time.
     
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