Rumor Deshaun Watson wants out of Houston?

Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by VondyP, Jan 7, 2021.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Tuckfro42

    Tuckfro42 Frozen Donkey Wheel

    5,222
    1,705
    709
    Nah, dude. I’ve got the lock on “least to rush to judgement.” Haha!
     
    • Cheers Cheers x 1
  2. Riverman

    Riverman That may be.... Tip Jar Donor

    15,534
    6,204
    1,099
    If true that’s horrible. But it has to be PROVEN. Just because it’s what she says doesn’t mean it’s true. I’m trying to get you past your admitted bias. How you process this is what makes the court of public opinion so toxic. Trust me, I’d he’s found guilty of one of these allegations, I’d like to see him punished. But until he’s FOUND GUILTY I’m going to reserve judgement. I won’t be influenced by the strategy of the plaintiff attorney. In the court of public opinion.
     
    • Hit the Target Hit the Target x 1
  3. TitanMark

    TitanMark Pro Bowler

    4,433
    1,260
    719

    Fair enough... so have you read the complaints?
     
    • Cheers Cheers x 1
  4. Riverman

    Riverman That may be.... Tip Jar Donor

    15,534
    6,204
    1,099
    no just a summary in an ESPN article. I don’t really need to see them. The release to public serves no purpose other than to flames of public opinion.
     
    • High Five High Five x 2
  5. TitanMark

    TitanMark Pro Bowler

    4,433
    1,260
    719

    Ok.. again fair enough. It’s at 11 and probably 12 by the end of the day. I think,you should read them. It might give you a better perspective.

    Funny side note... Texan fans wondering what kind of compensation they will get from the NFL in the form of draft picks for Watson if Watson gets suspended. You just can’t make up how stupid that is. I’m pretty sure you don’t get comp picks for a suspended player no matter how good he is.

    I even think the Texans could have civil exposure in this because they may have known and did nothing.
     
    • Cheers Cheers x 1
  6. TitanMark

    TitanMark Pro Bowler

    4,433
    1,260
    719
    Now it’s 13 cases...

    “ All but two of the suits involve plaintiffs who say they were contacted for massage appointments in 2020. The other two incidents, also involving massage therapists, allegedly occurred in January and March of 2021.
    The suits allege Watson forced two women to perform oral sex, ejaculated in front of three women and on another, groped a woman’s vagina and buttocks and kissed another woman unprompted upon arrival for an appointment. Eleven of the 13 publicly available suits accuse Watson of inappropriately touching women with his penis. One alleges that at the end of a massage, after trying to direct a woman to touch his anus, Watson exposed himself and asked if she "did more" than professional work "for more money."
     
  7. HurrayTitans!

    HurrayTitans! Useless trivia knowledge champion

    21,466
    6,405
    1,059
    Me and this guy fully agree on your public opinion point.

     
    • High Five High Five x 2
  8. HurrayTitans!

    HurrayTitans! Useless trivia knowledge champion

    21,466
    6,405
    1,059
    It’s incentive to employ former criminals that may not be done in the game. (Criminal game)

    Just imagine a team with 3-4 guys that went back to prison and they’re cheering because they got compensatory picks for it.
     
  9. wrench248

    wrench248 Pro Bowler

    6,763
    1,353
    689
     
    #679 wrench248, Mar 23, 2021
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2021
  10. wrench248

    wrench248 Pro Bowler

    6,763
    1,353
    689
    The offense of sexual assault is located within Texas Penal Code Section 22.011. Texas also has an aggravated sexual assault statute in Texas Penal Code Section 22.021.

    A hypothetical offense of forced oral sodomy against another adult is most likely to be charged under Section 22.011(a)(1)(B).

    22.011(b) lists the various ways a sexual assault under 22.011(a)(1) is without the consent of the other person.

    The Texas Penal Code also defines consent as "assent in fact, whether express or apparent." Texas Penal Code Section 1.07(a)(11).

    Under Texas law, the State does not have to offer evidence of a medical examination in order to prove any sexual offense allegation. Such evidence would help, but not having it isn't necessarily fatal to a State's case. Think of child sexual assault cases where there is almost never any medical evidence. The testimony of the sexual assault complainant alone is sufficient to prove an allegation of sexual assault so long as the testimony meets every element of the offense as alleged and the jury believes it beyond a reasonable doubt. See Garcia v. State, 563 S.W.2d 925, 928 (Tex. Crim. App. 1978). In Texas, we call this the one-witness rule (and it applies to all cases). See also Texas Code of Criminal Procedure Article 38.07 (stating that a conviction for aggravated sexual assault is "supportable on the uncorroborated testimony" of a child complainant) and Vilarreal v. State, 470 S.W.3d 168, 170 (Tex. App.--Austin 2015, no pet.). Basically, if a complainant testifies that someone did xy and z, and it meets all of the elements as alleged in an indictment for sexual assault, and the jury believes it beyond a reasonable doubt, then the conviction would stand. In most criminal trials in Texas, when the allegations are pretty much dependent on the testimony of the alleged complainant, the State will ask potential jurors about the one witness rule. I would imagine that if a potential juror told said that they needed medical evidence to convict an individual for sexual assault, the State would follow up with a series of questions designed to try to get that individual challenged for cause.

    "The jury is the sole judge of credibility and weight to be attached to the testimony of witnesses." Dobbs v. State, 434 S.W.3d 166, 170 (Tex. Crim. App. 2014). It's up to each individual juror to assess this and come to a verdict. What I mean by this, is that jurors are given a great deal of discretion in deciding who to believe and what they think is sufficient evidence. Finally, jurors are not given a definition of beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal case, so it's up to them to decide what it means to them. In civil cases, jurors would be given a definition of preponderance of the evidence.
     
    #680 wrench248, Mar 23, 2021
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2021
    • High Five High Five x 2
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  • Welcome to goTitans.com

    Established in 2000, goTitans.com is the place for Tennessee Titans fans to talk Titans. Our roots go back to the Tennessee Oilers Fan Page in 1997 and we currently have 4,000 diehard members with 1.5 million messages. To find out about advertising opportunities, contact TitanJeff.
  • The Tip Jar

    For those of you interested in helping the cause, we offer The Tip Jar. For $2 a month, you can become a subscriber and enjoy goTitans.com without ads.

    Hit the Tip Jar