For Those Trashing The OL....

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  1. CalgaryTitansFan

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    Jones had a very good first year. His second year was meh, and last year was bad. With this being his last year under contract, I was hoping they'd replace him, but this will be his last. Hopefully upgraded guards help, because he was rough last year.

    I'm curious about the Oregon guy though, is it Grasu or something like that?
     
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    He could earn the backup C role if he does well in camp, I think pamphile/levin are likely duking it out for the backup G spot. Not sure of the new guys versatility but he's not amazing or anything, it will probably be an accomplishment if he makes the roster.
     
    #162 VondyP, Apr 30, 2019
  7. Dman5TX

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    How does the combine not tell you anything about athleticism?? Hahahaha what??
     
    #163 Dman5TX, Apr 30, 2019
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  10. abc2330

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    The drills are the only thing that matters for OL at the combine. If they struggle with movement skills required from OL, they are a hell of a lot more likely to struggle in games than if they just ran .1 second slower than some other guy. Both of which will almost never run 40 yards during an actual contest. Jason Spriggs would be an elite tackle instead a scrub turnstile if those numbers meant much.

    Most linemen fail because they can't keep up with pass rushers. Like Kline. Is that not a reflection of his athleticism?
     
    #164 abc2330, Apr 30, 2019
  13. Dman5TX

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    They only run the 40 at the combine now? No more 3 come drill to show change of direction? No bench to show strength? No broad jump and vertical to show explosiveness?

    You can’t even make your mind up on what you stand for? I thought the O line wasn’t a problem... now you are saying Kline can’t keep up with pass rushers??

    You are failing to differentiate the difference between being athletic and being a good football player. Those two things are totally different. Just because someone is athletic doesn’t mean he’ll be a good football player or vice versa.
     
    #165 Dman5TX, Apr 30, 2019
  16. HurrayTitans!

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    K. 3/6 seasons with 16 games.
    Mariota 0-for. Has yet to complete 1.

    Now the point of my post was regarding both OL having issues and the number of sacks they’ve taken. The 3 complete seasons THill played, he was sacked more than MM’s highest record. If he could complete even 1 season, he may reach the same numbers although unlikely but still too high just the same.
    I guess I’d like to see THill play with our OL and see if his sack numbers drop or if he stays healthy again. I’d say we’ve had the better OL than Miami.
     
    #166 HurrayTitans!, Apr 30, 2019
  19. Dman5TX

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    Compare sacks per dropback as a better reference. Games played won’t tell you much.

    I don’t know what the numbers will say but can’t just say 16 games is equal for all QB’s. Some offenses throw more than others.
     
    #167 Dman5TX, Apr 30, 2019
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    Compare OL. Still subjective.
    I think THill had a worse OL and I think Mariota has worse QB presence.

    They both need to improve (QBs) and the Titans OL needs to improve (JRob has at least made the attempt). Don’t care if Miami OL ever improves.
     
    #168 HurrayTitans!, Apr 30, 2019
  25. Dman5TX

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    Yeah but I’m saying if THill has been sacked more/less but has more attempts that will tell you more about the OL.
     
    #169 Dman5TX, Apr 30, 2019
  28. abc2330

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    There are discrepancies between testing numbers and game speed all of the time. Cyprien ran something like a 4.5 and had explosive testing numbers for a safety, yet he looks like he's stuck in mud when he's chasing someone down. Jayon Brown ran a 4.7 and had generally unimpressive testing numbers otherwise, yet he makes plays all over the field and turns out to be an explosive pass rusher. Hooker, the S we just drafted, is evaluated as being a limited athlete , despite his impressive numbers as the combine. There are too many examples to name.

    Bottom line, nobody in their right mind would watch Saffold and Kline/Spain play and conclude that Saffold was the least athletic. Combine numbers aren't anything close to an exact science . How athletic you are on the field is what matters
     
    #170 abc2330, Apr 30, 2019
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