Every Mariota interception in 2017

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  1. Deuce Wayne

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    Mariota is often staring the WRs down in most those also- something he really needs to work on.

    I have faith he'll be fine. But this last season was no indicator of that.
     
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  2. Gut

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    Is there somewhere I suggested Mariota is blindfolded? LOL

    I didn't blame Davis for that. I said I was leaving the crossing route up to the opinion of others as some would argue it's on Mariota (as you see it) whether that it's not a great throw or wasn't a great decision since he had an open wr underneath. Are you suggesting WR's can't adjust to a ball in the air? This game goes both ways. But that I left open since it can fairly be interpreted in many ways.

    Which ball are you talking about? There were two plays where Matthews allows the ball to be picked. One he makes almost no effort on the ball. On the other, he makes a poor effort to run his route and get to where Mariota is expecting him to be. Matthews has made several good 50/50 catches and Mariota was trying to give him a shot. The fact that Matthews doesn't get there is why you label it an over throw...but it's a timing play and it's Matthews job to get open and get to where he's supposed to. Do you see any of these picks on the receivers?

    Oblivious? What do you think READING the defense means? Do you think it means scanning the field and seeing what every DB is doing? Your argument makes it appear that this is what you think. And sorry, that's not what QB's do. The only reason Peters was squatting on the route was because Davis didn't go all out to run his route correctly. He ran a poor route which allowed his defender to be closer than he should have been which allows Peters to make the pick. That's on the WR. Try to blame Mariota for what Mariota is responsible for. I pointed out 7 throws and you can add the crossing pattern to make it an 8th. The others are not on him no matter how much you want them to be and I pointed out why. Saying I'm oblivious doesn't really cut it as analysis to counter my argument.

    Yes, he threw a few balls into coverage...but you're not always gonna get ppl wide open in the NFL and you're gonna have to throw some people open. For the vast majority, his decision making has been very good. Two picks had bad decision...only 2 out of all of his INT's. His mechanics/footwork were a factor in most of the INT's he's responsible for. So this area needs a lot of work and will be reworked because his footwork, mechanics, and his reads are tied together in this new offense. But even if you take the extra 3 picks (2 Matthews and Davis crossing), Mariota is responsible for 10 picks in 17 games this year with 22 TD's? And How many TD's were dropped? Heck, one of these INT's was because Matthews ran the wrong route and would have been a TD!

    But we need some major work done by our receiving corps as they were directly responsible for many INT's. If the Titans are looking at this objectively, they will realize they have a lot of work to do. Mariota needs to make good decisions and throw with accuracy. The receivers need to run the right routes, run with determination and go all out for every ball in the air. And we need to block better. A return of our run game would also do wonders.

    Mariota's stuff is on Mariota. As these INT's show, when others don't do their jobs, the result will be bad. You can blame the QB for everything...but that would be...being 'oblivious' to reality!
     
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  3. Jwill1919

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    Gut, Davis adjusts to the ball, but it's so late and behind him that the DB eats it up, that's not on a WR.

    On the Matthews overthrow, it's OVERTHROWN which means Matthews can't get to it!

    On the Peters INT, you bet your damn ass I expect Mariota to read the goddam field and not throw a ball to a guy who's squatting the underneath route, that's his only read on that play. His only determining factor on that play is to make sure Davis clears the DB so the out route is open, if he doesn't clear he CAN'T make that throw. Basic High/Low, Corner/Smash, 9/3 route combination design here. Did Davis pin Peters, no, but that doesn't mean it excuses Mariota for making that throw. Did he not read the scouting report that Peters likes to peek into the backfield?

    Disclaimer: As many of you know I was a WR, therefor I may be a bit biased.
     
  4. JCBRAVE

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    Soo what im hearing is Mariota threw 15 bad balls...
     
  5. Jwill1919

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    yeah, it's not like Delanie caught the ball and then tipped it straight up to a defender and such. Those are clearly on a WR.
     
  6. PRAY IV M3RCY

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    Look how Mariota creates a throwing lane for Davis by moving defenders away from the middle of the field. You can't be a qb scared to make tight window throws. The ball wasn't behind Davis at all neither was it late. It was on the money and Davis couldn't make the tough catch. Had he made the catch we wouldn't be having this conversation
     
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  7. Gut

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    You really are a hater huh? The ball is NOT behind Davis. Try watching the all-22. If anything, the ball would have hit Davis in the chest. The all-22 also shows Davis again did not run a good route which is why the DB was close to him. Hard to debate when you say things that are factually incorrect!!! Davis will never be 'open' if he continues to run sloppy Dig routes.

    His ONLY job is to read Peters? If you ONLY read Peters, there are numerous coverages the defense could be in and Mariota wouldn't know which coverage based on what you're saying. Only read Peters? Sorry...wrong. Try again.

    Clearly you don't understand the play as this is NOT a corner/smash concept and there is no corner route run here. Typically corner smash has the OUTSIDE WR running a hitch and the slot running a corner route behind the CB. QB reads the cb. If he drops off to protect the corner route, qb throws the hitch. This is usually run ideally against cover 1 or cover 3 with a middle of the field S not able to help out.

    This is NOT what happens on this play. Davis is the OUTSIDE WR and runs a GO...therefore...no corner smash. Decker is the outside slot and runs a speed out. Walker is the inside slot and runs a deep out. There is a name for this typical passing concept but I'm not here to teach you...only point out you don't know what you think you know.

    As I said before. Watch the film. Davis is faster than Walker and both get free releases. Walker breaks about 15 yds and gets several yards to the sideline when Davis is less than 3 yards away from him running in a straight line. If they had the same speed, Davis should have been around the goal line - at least 7-10 yards further down the field. There is no good explanation for why Davis is where he is...especially since his JOB on the play is to clear the cb for Walker's deep out. And as far as Mariota 'reading' Peters? Peters played off Davis and bailed on the snap. He didn't hang under either out routes but since Davis was less than 3 yards away from Walker, Peters was able to make a great break on the ball. Peters comes from deeper than Walker (so no hanging cb) to come up to pick it.

    I'm surprised you're such a hater. And if you played wr, you should know better!!! Even HS football uses this concept!
     
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  8. Gut

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    7. 10 if you don't mind your wr's not trying on 50/50 throws. And one of the other picks should have been a TD but Matthews ran the wrong route.
     
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  9. Dman5TX

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    Guys JWill thinks VY and Locker didn’t throw more INT’s than TD’s in a season. Don’t waste your time here.
     
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  10. Jwill1919

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    You don't know what a 9/3 route combo is? 9=go 3=out

    In all of those route combinations, the QB key is the outside corner and where he is in relation to the underneath route. Geez
     
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