Fisher and his 'Keep it Close Mentality'

And you are a rude SOB who has provided no statistics, no data of any kind to substantiate your argument. :moon2::moon2::moon2:

You make rude open ended comments about how i don't know about this team's history when you have showed no knowledge of anything at all.

Jeff Fisher has been the coach of this franchise since week 11 of the 1994 season!

 

Forget what happened under Collins; Vince is running the offense now. And going into last week's game, the Titans' offense had converted every single 4th down they had attempted with Vince under center. They were 1-1 in the Niners game, and 4-4 against the Cardinals. I'd say a 100% success rate is pretty good.

And you're arguing that Fisher should have taken them off the field and settled for the FG?

I'm not a Fisher apologist by any stretch....but he based his decision on the fact that the offense was moving the ball effectively, and the fact that they'd been 100% successful on fourth down since Vince's return.

You won't get better odds than that. Unfortunately, the Titans failed as a result of questionable playcalling, terrible execution, good defensive play, and poor officiating. Doesn't mean Fisher made a bad decision; it just means he had lousy luck.

 

I disagree. Going for it on 4th down doesn't exactly strike fear into the hearts of Colts defenders. They're not easy to fool. Trying to make a big so called statement against a better team like them for no other reason than to "send them a message" is just foolish. Yeah you need TD's to beat Manning, but how can you get them making bad choices that get him back on a shorter field to work with?

Suck it up, take the points, and in the worst case scenario, come back with a final game-winning drive. (makes more sense) Playing smart to stay close AND get the W is not related to Fisher's philosophy of keeping the game close- we trailed the whole game! The rash decisions that the staff made killed our playoff hopes. They have only themselves to blame.

 

Well what was the play call? And doesn't the play call go hand in hand with the call to go for it in the first place? I would hope so. Not kicking the FG should mean you have a play call that has a high probability of success. A fade from the 2 yard line is hardly that play.

In Vince Young's career he has a 59 passing rating on 4th and goal. His career 4th down comp % is 42%. We ran a play that is anything but a sure thing it is a hard throw and harder from that close than if we were back at the 8 or 10 yard line. An all or nothing play that gives vince no option to run or check off to somebody else.

I still think taking the 3 points was the best call there but we can respectfully disagree.

 

When we play most other teams are goal is to jump ahead and hold the lead with the running game and superior TOP.

Against the colts Fisher takes a different underdog type approach that says we need to score more points and try to keep it close.

We were not under manned in this game. We had all our starters on defense. The colts deserved the win the game and are the better team. They had a 14 play drive(8 runs, 6 passes) that basically put the game away and they held us 4 and out on that last possession. Still i thought we could have given ourselves a better chance by taking the points when we had them.

 

First of all you're assuming that all of a sudden we would be able to score a TD on our final drive, even though we were unable to do so on the previous 2 or 3. Furtermore you're assuming that the Colts wouldn't have scored additional points if we kicked the FG's.

What the hell is so hard to understand? We couldn't get in the endzone save once in the first half, we're down 14 points, and now you want to take the FG's and expect that we not only prevent the Colts from further scoring (we gave up 24 points in the first half btw) but we also magically overcome our problems with getting in the endzone on the final drive?

How do you rationalize kicking 2 FG's because you can't get in the endzone, and then be able to score a TD at the end of the game to win it?

 

I think you're combining two separate arguments here.

I never suggested that going for it on 4th down would send a message; that makes no sense at all. I'm saying that starting on first down, they should have pounded LW straight up the gut four times in a row. (In fairness to the staff, I this was what Dinger intended to do after Vince's fumble, until Amano's holding call pushed them out of Lendale's range.)

When I referred to questionable playcalling, I was talking about their goal-line approach in general. I disagreed strongly with the attempted QB sneak. Vince is a tall, long-legged guy....hardly the type of player who will push through a pile with size and power. Even if Vince holds onto the ball, the chances of that play working were slim.

Then there was the goal-line sequence on the opening drive: first and goal from the 9 yard-line, and Lendale powers it down to the three-yard line. But instead of keeping LW out there and letting him do what he does best, they pulled him out and put CJ on the field....only to hammer it up the gut again. No gain. On the following play, instead of trying to punch it in with CJ or LW or an option-type play, they put it in the air....incomplete.

For most of the game, the playcalling in the goal-line area just seemed disjointed....kinda like, "Well, that play didn't work....so for this play, let's go with a completely different approach.......oops, that didn't work either."

Normally the Titans' offense has knack for turning it up a notch in the red zone. The closer the get to the goal line, the more they want it. This time, that sense of purpose just wasn't there. Once they got inside the 10, it was like Dinger had no plan, and was throwing random plays out there just to see if they would work....a very uncharacteristic move. So maybe we shouldn't be so surprised that they didn't work.

 

So now you are playing fast and loose with my statement which btw any tom dick and harry can still reference because i posted them on this very forum.

And what makes your argument completely that of the typical obstinate five year old, you actually quoted my exact words and then you turn around and post this bogus nonsense talking about every other titans fourth down attempt instead of the unique situation i clearly reference.

What is it with you? You just like making up arguments or do you have a genuine problem comprehending simple english phrases like the one you just quoted?


I specifically said that the titans went for it on every fourth down they had last year in the same situation as the colts game. This would mean (to any fair minded person that can comprehend simple english) that they titans went for it every time they had the ball around the 2 yard line (same as they did with the colts game).

But since you have been exposed for being ignorant about your own teams history, you are now pathetically trying to change my comments to say something i clearly did not say!


And i defy you to find even one time they kicked a field goal at the same spot or close to the goal line even one single time last year!

 

let me quote you yourself

And you are calling me rude:ha:

Looks like you are that kind of fella who likes to dish it out but cant take it!


I called your logic that of a 5 year old because that is exactly what it is. A five year old wants to have his cake and eat it to. You want to have the titans kick the field goal and still get the ball punted back to them so they can get the ball in the colts territory once again and kick yet another field goal. Just so you can make your nonsensical argument about your mythical 6 points. That sir is logic of a five year old. If you are going to reason like a 5 year old kid then happily accept my judgment of your reasoning!


When you grow up and that becomes evident in your reasoning, i will be the first to commend you on your new found maturity.:wink2:

 

Great post man! I do think our redzone woes are directly correlated to the lack of play time Lendale White is not getting. This is one of the reasons i absolutely can not stand Jeff fisher. At first i thought that the team was making an effort to limit his end zone carries so as to prevent him from duplicating last years amazing numbers in the red zone. This to keep his value low so as to re-sign him.

But they have taken it way too far. Either that or jeff fisher has some stupid grudge against White which is why he benched him the week before for being late.

I kept telling my buddies that the titans were sand bagging White because it was a contract year and they doubted me. Around the 3rd of 4th game this year when even they realized the incredibly stupid play calling we had on third and short and even 4th and short, they agreed with me. (i dont think White had a single carry in those situations in the first four games outside that incredible drive against the Jets defensive line which was fully healthy but white drove the ball 20 yards in 5 straight carries into the endzone.)

Now they think its worse than just that and they are all equally pissed off with fisher.