With the 30th pick in the '09 NFL Draft...

Hello!!!!

Franchise QB prospects don't fall to the 30th pick. And when there are 2 and about 5 teams that could REALLY use a franchise QB, he won't make it past 15 and probably is gone in the top 10-12 at worst. At best (for him) he's gon in the top 10.

It is prohibitive to trade 20 spots up in rnd 1. We'd give up way too much. Secondly, there is no guarantee Sanchez will be a franchise QB who succeeds. Pete Carroll thinks the guy needs another year of seasoning. Secondly, Sanchez hired his brother to manage him so he's already made a bone head decision on the biggest decision of his life! And you want to give up half our draft for THAT decision-making?

Lastly, and most importantly, it would kill our cap to re-sign Kerry, carry VY's cap hit, and then draft another franchise QB in the top 10. We'd have a colossal amount of cap tied up in one position that only one guy could play at a time. And if it's Kerry starting...you've basically given us the same talent as last year at QB but given up half our cap room AND half our incoming talent for a guy who may or not be any good 5 years from now (assuming he watches Collins for 2 years, stinks his first year starting, is ok his second year and is actually good his 3rd year)??? Is this your strategy for winning the Superbowl in the next 5 years? Half the team will be different.

You can't invest so many resources in one position in depth, talent, draftpicks, and cap.

This is why I can't stand people who say draft best player available. What if that best player is a QB for 4 years straight. Are you gonna draft 4 qb's in rnd 1 each year?

Gut

 

Sure....

First, Harvin will play. He's missed 5 games the last 3 years. To put that in perspective, he's played about 36 out of 41 games. Where do you get the fantasy he'll never be on the field???

Secondly, even as a decoy he'll cause huge defensive problems and along can go a long way towards stopping teams from ganking the box. CJ runs a lot better when they can't drop a S into the box.

And BTW, Heyward-Bey caught 3 or fewer passes in 7 of his games this year. He's only caught more than 5 passes once. He's only gone over 100 yds receiving ONCE. He's also done some rushing but for the vast majority, has been ineffective. So it appears Bey is a bigger long shot since he's an 'actual' WR who didn't exactly rip it up this year compared to the gimpy Harvin who is basically unstoppable - even injured - from doing serious damage in every game on a few touches....

Hmmmm............

Harvin compares favorably statistically to ANY WR in the draft in terms of playmaking ability and is BETTER than almost all of them...even while being "injury prone."

Offensively, he's the best playmaker in the draft. Maclin is just as much of a guy who needs coaching up as a WR. The number of hitches, wr and bubble screens he caught is ridiculous.

Gut

 

we don't need an offensive playmaker, we already have one of those. what we need is a reliable wide receiver. percy harvin is not that.

as for him playing in 36-41 games, great. too bad he's constantly nicked up and had heel surgery between 2007 and 2008 then, after he's finally 100% he severely sprains his ankle. the guy is about as injury prone as chris brown. there's a reason a guy with his physical gifts is being projected to go in the 25-40 range.

besides, as Ubiq already stated, being an offensive player from UF almost guarantees being a bust.

 

Hmmmm...

If Smith was 6'0, he'd be a top 10 pick. At a shade UNDER 5'9, he could drop but I seriously doubt he drops to 30.

Why pay a WR in FA? Are we gonna throw it 30 times a game? I don't see any free agent WR's who are explosive and wouldn't cost a bundle. Getting an explosive WR as a draft pick makes more sense.

I'm not that high on Barden for a few reasons...First, he's a man playing against children with that level of competition. Second, this is enhanced by the type of offense guaranteeing him single coverage every time they throw him the ball. Lastly, the only real team they played (Wisconsin) he had 6 catches for 83 yds and 1 TD. Hardly killer stats. He also won't be single covered all day in the NFL. There will be S's and LB's who will knock your block off.

Not to say that we shouldn't draft him, but I'll be surprised if he goes in rnd 1 or 2. Didn't anyone learn anything from Matt Jones and Tyrone Calico? He looks a bit stiff and doesn't look like he accelerates that well. We'll see how he runs in the combine. He does have great hands but I think his concentration can be an issue.

I think Mack is a very LIKELY choice (and would be a good one). However, there are players I would NOT pass up.

And btw, there are some really good MLB prospects who should be available in free agency...and I think we have a good shot at one of the top 5 WR prospects in the draft not named Crabtree (Harvin, Maclin, Nicks, Bey).

However, Mack could be our OC for the next 10+ years....

Gut

 

Um...

Not that spectacular? Nicks proved this year in multiple games against top competition he can be a dominant WR (100+yds) and in his biggest game vs West Virginia (not too shabby) - in there Bowl game, he ripped them for 217 yds and 3 TD's on only 8 catches.

And he DOES NOT play in a spread offense unlike Crabtree and Maclin. And while both Crabtree and Maclin are considered better prospects, neither did much dmg in their Bowl games and their offenses should have given them good numbers.

BTW, I'm NOT saying Nicks is the best WR in the draft, but give the guy some respect. Find me another WR who had 200+ yds and 3 td's against a team as good as WV?

Lastly, are you saying you think Percy Harvin and Jeremy Maclin are 2nd rnd picks???

Gut

 

And BTW, Britt had like 150 yds on 12 catches vs the same WV team and no TD's. But he's much better than Nicks?

Interesting...

 

Um...

Define 'reliable.' Someone who shows up 100% healthy? No one is that.

And your point is moot. If a constantly 'nicked' up Harvin can be a more explosive playmaker than your 'reliable' WR, wouldn't ya take the explosive playmaker? Gage is our dependable WR. Looks like we have one of those already....

Notice our offense was actually quite solid because of our playmaker (CJ and not the more reliable Lendale White).

And you're right, players with the injury prone label tend to drop from where they normally would go. Teams like the Vikings who take a 'chance' on a guy like Peterson can get SUPERSTARS at picks they shouldn't. Harvin will also drop simply because he'll be viewed as a tweener...is he a RB or a WR.

Combine injury prone and tweener and Harvin should drop...but there is no denying he's a top 10 talent and when healthy...top 5.

And who are the last 3 top NCAA playmakers from UF who were busts?

Gut

 

I'm guessing he means Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney and Chad Jackson.

As I said I'm not a big Harvin fan. Not enough production as a wide receiver for me. I'm not interested in a tweener, I'd rather just have the pure receiver. Johnson can be a tweener, we don't really need two.

 

someone who's a better WR than RB, for starters.

lendale white isn't reliable, he sucks. constantly sucking is reliable....i guess. chris johnson was MUCH more reliable than lendale white.

take your pick of any WR/QB that played there when spurrier coached there.

 

harvin caught 3 or fewer passes nine times in 2008. he had 8 games with 4 or more rushes. he's also had more rushes than receptions every single year at UF.

if he didn't play in an offense where he was able to get the amount of carries he did he would be rated slightly higher than louis murphy.