Yea 30-17 with Vince I get that. But his 2nd year we won what 10 games? How many of those were due to the defense bailing him out? Just saying, "Well this is his record with Young" while true, it's misleading. I mean, great example. 2007 vs. Oakland. Young was 6/14 for 42 yards and no TD passes or runs. We won 13-9. So, just saying. Yea we won with Vince as the starter, but come on... 42 passing yards?