Von Miller

Nope, I'm talking about Miller as an NFL prospect. Why would I be talking about him rushing the passer if I'm projecting him in the 4-3?

 

Ok then why would you be talking about his size? That is what your criticizing and if he were drafted by us, which is what THIS thread is about, his size is irrelevant. He wouldn't be asked to blitz as much and coverage has yet to be seen but I would take a shot because it seems hes always around the ball. He has all the intangibles to be a 4-3 OLB someone just has to be willing to take a chance.

 

First of all, he's 246 now, and that's what he's been doing his drills at. And the drills show that he hasn't slowed down at 246.

Second, you've cited ONE safety in the NFL at 230 pounds (15 pounds lighter than Miiller is now). Most safeties play in the 200-215 range.

What happens when someone bigger gets his hands on James Harrison? Clay Matthews? Elvis Dumervil? They go around. And sometimes, because football is a leverage game and not a pure strength game, they get low and they go THROUGH the block. And how many successful NFL OLBs came right out of college knowing how to do that anyway? Not many: it can be taught.

We're talking past each other here. You said ALL he has is the "speed rush." When I read that I read, "all he does is sprint to the quarterback unblocked." What most people label "speed rush" doesn't really utilize other moves as I described. And if you admit that he DOES use other tools to get past blockers other than just sprinting off the edge untouched (which he clearly does) then you're wrong about his ONLY using the speed rush.

Which leads me back to asking you to define "speed rush" so we can tell how accurate your assessment actually is.

Yeah, THAT flame was really necessary. :sad2:

 

Sure, I don't even really know what we're arguing about. You're talking about him in the 4-3, I'm talking about him in the 3-4.

That's backwards thinking. His film is at 237. Therefore, his 10.5 sacks last year were at 237. Not 246. Just because he ran 4.53 at 246, doesn't mean he was running that fast at 237. In fact, it means he was probably running faster, like 4.45. Essentially, he can only get his 10.5 sacks running 4.45.

Adrian Wilson.

You think it's about leverage? Then how come there aren't more 237 pound OLB? You can't simply say it's leverage without justifying it. Harrison is 6' 242, Matthews is 6' 3" 255, and Dumervil 5' 11" 248. All these guys are thick, Von is lean. Think about if some 8 year old tried to edge rush you, it doesn't matter how low he gets, you can just push him off his path. What, you think NFL tackles are going to whiff on Miller every time?

By speed rush, I mean rushing off the edge, usually from the 9, around the OT, and essentially using only speed to beat his man.

You're right, I'm sorry. But, I still want to know if you've watched his games at all.

 

Yea we don't run a 3-4 and this thread is about us drafting him. Your 3-4 OLB references are irrelevant.

 

It's not that Miller can't be a solid SAM linebacker in our system and stop the run and be solid in coverage. It's that we normally don't use our linebackers as pass rushers. That's what the front 4 guys are for.

So if it is a big outside rush guy you want then draft Quinn or Bowers to play DE. Or a guy who can do everything well and move inside on occasion like Watt.

Miller's #1 attribute is as a speed rusher.

A SAM linebacker in our system can only have so much of an impact. I used the example before with Aaron Curry of Seattle. A solid player but not a game changer. Miller is no more a prospect than Curry.

I would rather have a full sized DE like Quinn(265), Bowers(280), Watt(290) or even Kerrigan(267) than a 245 lb OLB.

I think 24 makes some valid points. Blue chip 3-4 OLBs tend to run 260 lbs or even bigger these days. They are usually taller than Miller is. I think Miller will be fine as a weak side 3-4 guy but is he ideal?

Bowers had 15 sacks as a DE at Clemson. Doesn't he translate a lot better to our system than Miller? Quinn had 11 sacks at just age 19 in 09 and he is 6'4 265 and could get bigger.

The impact players in a 4-3 are usually the DE's, this is a great draft for DEs so let's get one of them not a linebacker. We could get Bruce Carter in rd 2 and if you want an OLB who can specialize in bltiz packages or coming around the corner Moch would also be there in rd 2 maybe even rd 3.

 

Besides the fact Miller probably won't be available, which makes all this a waste of time, I still don't see the value Miller would have for us relative to getting a real good DE or DT. I agree with Rolltide. Now if Miller is there look for a team like NE, who sees themselves getting their version of Harrison at OLB ready to make a move and we can hold them hostage. That would be the best thing and help the team the most. We could come out of the 1st and 2nd round with three guys, a DE, DT and a QB.

 

I would love for the Titans to draft Von Miller, because that means the Niners didn't make the mistake of drafting him.