Dishonest? I was using your logic (or your lack thereof) when making the analogy in the hope that you would see the error in your ways, but you were too proud to admit it. I don't care what you have said historically lol. That is what you've said in this thread, which, apparently, is exempt from your "history". Rofl. Let's make this official so I can see exactly what part of it you disagree with, because so far, all you are doing is rambling and attacking me. I believe the following to be true: In general, a qb's statistics are affected by A: the talent of the offense including the quarterback's individual ability B: the talent of the opposing defense The objective ways to measure these, in turn are: A: yards passing (and running) per game combined with the qb's TD:INT ratio and any rushing TD's he might have had B: yards allowed per game Exactly what part of this simplicity is tripping you up? I already backed it all up with stats (which you ignored). Tell me, how would you judge the qb's performance? W/L? That's retarded. I guess Warren Moon played a ****ty game when the Bills came back and beat him.