Titans or Oilers?

That would be a NON BIASED book gomer.

I'm sorry did Bud Adams stop selling tickets to the Astrodome?

 

Obviously you did not read my earlier post, so here it is again.

"The greatest thing about it is that the suppossed reason they did not build for the Oilers was $$$ and that the city was not to pay for it. And that they built for the Texans because it is private money. I have a friend who works for the city of Houston and has reviewed the cost extimates and found that the city paid more $$$ to build Reliant than they would have to build the Oilers a new stadium. He sais the only reason such a big deal was made was because of politics and it had nothing to do with actual cash."

I hate to tell you Overalls, but the blame does fall squarly on your shoulders. Weather you want to believe it or not.

The fans in houston "not all of them" were just plain stupid.
You were not willing to vote on the adendum that would have paid for the new stadium because you felt you should not pay for it, that bud should have. And so after the Oilers leave and the city realized they screwed up here comes bob mcnair as the savior. He says we will build a stadium and I will fund. So the city votes on whether or not to bring in a new team. But when you voted for that there was a "rider" on the adendum that stated the city (tax payers) would help pay for it with a 2 cent tax, and you voted for it.
Bud's plan was asking the city pay a 1.5 cent tax to help pay and you voted against it.

So overalls i know its hard to follow with all these words so ill explain in Aggie talk so you will understand.

"Overalls vote to not pay 1.5 cent tax to keep oilers. Overalls rather wait 3 years and vote to pay a 2 cent tax to get texans"

So you are to blaim, and it is quite nieve to put the blame on bud "as you said for what he did to oilers fans" the blame is yours and all other houston residents who were not smart enough to realize what was truely going on.

Of course I guess the blame should fall on your teachers cause its there fault they didn't teach you about math or politics in houston.

Reality Checks!!!
1. Houstonians let the oilers leave, not bud adams, he did everything he could to get them to stay.

2. Mario Williams #1 overall pick in the 2006 draft

3. Overalls = :moon2::clown:

 

Go Texas_Titan_1 ......Bring it dude

 

Overalls is delirious. But yeah, I hate to admit that it's the same team because the Oilers were one joke of a team my entire life. Just one of those teams everyone giggles about. The Browns of today are the oilers of then.
But it's the same franchise. Same staff. Same owner. Same players. Same coaches. Same everything except a name and they started playing decent for a little while once they got out of Houston.

 

Oilers were one of the best teams in the early 90s

 

OK Texas Turncoat 1 please post a link to when this vote was put before the people. Seeing how you are so knowledgable about the situation it should be easy for you to do so.



Of course it never happened so it might be a little hard to do, just not as hard as your head.


http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid=3344

Read this. It's not in crayon, but you can get someone to read it to you.

 

just cranking your way to 21,000 huh? You'll be at 21,000 by the time the Titans are on the clock.

that's way too funny.

 

Never heard anything about them in those days. It was all Bills and Cowboys. Who did the Oilers have? Moon? They only have 3 good players in their entire history that I know of. Moon, Campbell, and an offensive lineman. Yikes.

 

Over the next three decades, Adams would venture to tap his hometown taxpayers twice more. In 1987, he requested $67 million-worth of stadium upgrades to the Astrodome—including new artificial turf, 10,000 more seats, and 65 new luxury boxes. Adams needed negotiating leverage, so he drew the most formidable weapon in any business executive’s arsenal: he threatened to move his team—in this case to Jacksonville, Florida. Adams got what he wanted from Houston officials through a property-tax hike and a doubling of the hotel tax.

The NFL’s “best” stadium—as Adams referred to the upgraded Astrodome—did not stay that way for very long. In 1993, Adams began tossing around the idea of a brand new dome.

Although Adams offered to put up $75 million for this new dome, taxpayers would still be called on to sacrifice $160 million more.

As things generally go in the corporate welfare story, this is the place where politicians usually cave in to team owners. However, then-mayor Bob Lanier (no relation to the former NBA star) reacted rather coolly to the Oilers’ demands.

The Mayor Refuses

Lanier first declared that property taxes would not be used for any new sports facilities. Then, buttressed by polls in early 1994 showing that anywhere from 56 percent to 71 percent of the public thought the taxpayers should not finance a new dome for the Oilers, Lanier argued against any public funding. (Houston’s resolve against the Oilers may have had something to do with the team’s growing reputation as choke artists. In a 1993 playoff game, the Oilers blew a 35-3 halftime lead to lose to the Buffalo Bills—one of the greatest football collapses of all time.)


Mayor Lanier stuck by his refusal to put tax money into a new stadium. However, other taxpayer-funded schemes started to float about, like a $90-million upgrade for the Astrodome and $30 million for The Summit.



Confronted by this unprecedented opposition, Adams once again drew the ultimate weapon: the threat of a move from the city. First, he pitted nearby county against county in a bid for a new stadium. Then, for good measure, the Oilers commissioned a study from a major accounting firm—the kind of study that ignores basic principles of economics, the failure of government industrial policy, and the efficiency of the private sector—which asserted that a new dome for the Oilers would be worth $20 million annually to Houston. Still, none of it turned the tide in Adams’s favor.

Nashville Woos the Oilers

So, in August 1995, he opened negotiations with the city of Nashville. Unlike Houston, Nashville and the state of Tennessee had wooed Adams. The city had long wanted to be “big league.” Mayor Phil Bredesen had already built a new hockey arena without a National Hockey League tenant; so he stood more than willing to build a football stadium for an actual NFL team. And Tennessee Governor Don Sundquist announced that state taxpayers also would be tapped to help bring the Oilers to Nashville.

Back in Houston, Lanier started to crack. He offered a deal to build an open-air stadium for Adams. But Adams decided it was too little too late, and besides, it supposedly was too hot to play outside in Houston.

A deal between the Oilers and Nashville was announced in November 1995. The stadium would seat 67,000, with 120 luxury suites and 9,600 premium seats. Adams would not only not have to lay out a dime to build the new facility, but he would also receive a $28 million relocation fee and garner 100 percent of stadium-related revenues. The state would kick in $55 million in construction bonds and $12 million more for road improvements. Nashville would fork over $144 million and had to guarantee $70 million in net sales of personal seat licenses, giving fans the option to buy tickets.
One hurdle remained, however: against the mayor’s wishes, local stadium opponents gathered enough signatures to require a referendum on the city package. Big dollars poured into the pro-stadium “Yes for Nashville” campaign—outspending the opposition by about 16 to 1. Commissioner Tagliabue naturally stopped by to give support. The resolution passed with 59 percent of the vote.

Meanwhile, the Oilers had a couple of years left on their lease in the Astrodome, and Adams promised to stay and play out those years. But after fewer than 21,000 fans attended the last three games of the 1996 season, the Oilers wanted out. (A few days prior to the Nashville vote, a save-the-Oilers rally in Houston drew fewer than 50 people.) Adams negotiated a buyout deal.

Not long after the Nashville vote, Tagliabue met with Houston officials and sang a familiar song. Houston could get a new NFL team—if it built a new stadium or upgraded the Astrodome. ).



To the very end, the Oilers’ Adams never stopped thinking out loud about his beloved Houston. In a strangely sympathetic piece in late 1996, which appeared in the Houston Chronicle, Adams was asked what he would do over. “I’d let [Astros owner] Drayton go first. Then he’d be the one moving and I’d be getting a new stadium.”
At a Nashville rally in November 1995 celebrating the announcement of the Oilers’ move, Adams declared: “When Bud Adams tells you we will come if you live up to your end of the bargain, that’s binding.” Yet, among most team owners today, to “live up to your end of the bargain” isn’t what it used to be. Now it means, “as long as you keep forking over taxpayer subsidies, then we’ll stay put. Otherwise, we’re outta here.”

Some small, short-term justice, though, has been dispensed. The Oilers’ attendance in the 1997 season was just as bad as in their final days in Houston. Adams persists in his quest for corporate welfare; he reportedly complains that the team’s new training site is too small. Of course, he demands a new one.

In the end, the guilt lies with politicians willing to dole out sports pork in one form or another. In June 1997, Nashville’s Mayor Bredesen admitted the tenuous ground upon which stadium subsidies rest: “I can’t justify building a football stadium on direct economic impact. The professors who make a living pooh-poohing that are right. But there are a lot of intangible benefits that make it more than easy to do.”