Titanium.. this isn't about my design vs. TJ's. It is instead me giving my sincere opinion about the design of the shirt of a forum which represents the team i root for. and to clarify, i did say: so in essence, i was making two points in one sentence: 1) 'forget pluck the ravens' 2) or VY making a run for it <--- thats amateur. Its not funny.. its not creative nor is it original the nonoriginal noncreative design i was referring to was was point number 2 while picturing something like this: I didn't say 'pluck the ravens' was amature, not funny and not creative as i did mention in my previous post that 'pluck the ravens' was a nice touch and was in my design. I did however say that 'pluck the ravens' shouldn't be the entire theme of a shirt.