Something about Fisher I don't get

Of course we look at each case individually. There's no way an armchair fan is getting anywhere near all the picture but after 16 years of supporting Jeff Fisher I think we're qualified to know his MO by now.

In 2008 McCareins missed 4 games due to injury.

Gage and Jones really gelled as a partnership without JMac and even Hawk got in a few reps. The offence got into a groove.

#19 returned and went straight back into the line up.

Even if JMac had been better than Jones why fix something that wasn't broken. In fact he took Gages number 1 spot and completely changed the offence's chemistry. We went back to stop start drives.

Why is that?

He was the worst player on the field for 3 straight seasons. We gambled on Thompson after picking him up from the bengals as a FA in 04 and he did ok. We drafted Lowry in 06 who was a bust.

Not until 07 did we address the issue by drafting Griffin and letting Thompson go.

I thought Harper was a good fit for us. In 08 he had his best year behind all the great front 4 pressure. Last year he was badly exposed.

When he was hurt Hood was a spark that lifted the D. He was not by any means the 2nd coming but he was playing better than Harper and playing on a high. Why change that? Never take a player out of the lineup when he's on a hot streak.

Yes ,see my Britt response below.

Fowler should never hav been signed. very overpaid Cowboys backup who was Sirmon after the knee injury 2.0. He was a JAG player who barely filled a hole in the middle.

Who was that LB bum that we traded a pick to the Hawks for and who never saw the field. Same type of guy.

Yet he was money when it counted against the Cards. Made errors but caught everything thrown at him. Looks like the kind of player that improves with playing time.

When Britt really shined was when Washington was hurt. I agree he was held back early for good reason. However when he was playing well Washington returned to suck things up again. Britt's time was again reduced and he disapeared.

What kind of message does that send to the player? You're doing great but hey, the unproven guy who was starting and kept ropping balls is fit again so we're stepping you down again.

Merry Xmas Kenny.

How much money a player is being paid should not be a factor in whether he plays or not. Washington doesn't need more time to learn anything. We've seen what he has to offer and it's not good enough.

He was fine in an up and coming 3 rd WR role for the Steelers. Now he's an over paid guy who's not even reliable enough to be an every down #3 WR.

He ran the same Defence . Right on. The problem was that it wasn't working. We had no teeth on the interirior line. For four games we pushed on regardless with no attempt to change things up. No creativity to compensate for not having the players to make the designed scheme work.

True but when asked to step up against the Cards he played well. By that point the ankle was behind him. We saw him again for only 3-4 plays the rest of the season.

He had no place in a starting lineup that requird him to block. Why draft the guy if you don''t want him to catch balls. Scaife is the pass catching TE. There will be again no place for Cook in the lineup unless Scaife gets hurt.

We will hear that Cook isn't ready.

 

If you can afford an expensive car you can afford to drive something else if your new toy doesn't drive like you'd hoped. You'll pay the finance deal but drive something else if it's a better fit.

If he leads us in yardage we'll be having another poor WR by committee season that we're used to. Leopards can't change their spots.

we needed to adapt the scheme to suit the players and fast.

Second half of the season we improved as Cecil changed things up. OIt took far too long to happen though.

We haven't beefed up the interior line in the off season and Jones is still having shoulder issues. Derrick Morgan is not going to take reps at DT.

It's a real concern that we come out rushing the front four inneffectively again this year and are slow to adapt if it doesn't work.

Cecil gets a pass for year one but it was a Fisher gamble that we could ill afford to take when trying to build on a 13-3 season.

Fisher should already have a plan in place for what to do if our defence/Cecil struggles again this coming season.

I doubt very much that he has one though.

 

You're both making some good points, but you're both making some bad points too.

Hard to consider Lowry a bust considering where he was drafted. In his limited playing time during the "Thompson Years" :barf:, he appeared to be the better option. It was obvious in '07 that he was indeed a better option than Thompson; Griffin was simply an even better option.

Javon Haye. There's a good example of the FO paying a player a lot of money, and then Fisher not playing him. On the other hand, Nate had something to offer that our other receivers didn't. He has speed. He has the ability to get down the field and not be blanketed by defenders before dropping an easy catch. Still, despite having questionable hands, you play a guy that can get down the field and potentially make big plays. He also led our WR's in scoring.

Fowler was a good pickup for the Titans. I'm not sure you could have considered him overpaid. He filled a need when the Titans were desperate at MLB, and he did pretty well. He didn't play as well as Tulloch is now, but he shored up our run defense while Tulloch was learning.

It's my understanding that Heimerdinger had no love for McCareins. Their relationship became strained in their days with the Jets. I would say that was Fisher's call, and McCareins shouldn't have made the starting lineup. I seriously think Paul Williams could have done better, and we know he's a bust. He was Eric Moulds part two, and I seriously doubt Heimerdinger became enamored with him again.

Cecil's defense was basically the same, but it was different as well. Our corners were giving WR's a huge cushion at the LOS, especially early in the season. No point in even having a pass rush with that much cushion. Griffin had a bad year, and it's my opinion that a big reason for that is that his role got changed. I think Cecil wanted him to be more active on run defense, and is essentially why he ended up looking lost much of the time. He wasn't biting on play action that much in Schartz's defenses because his role was more basic.

 

Interesting take on Griffin. Ilike it.

Going back to Gunny's point. I think the bottom line with a Fisher team is that he's slow to make any kind of change.

Change to the lineup,change to the style of play.He will stick with a poorly playing experienced player over a talented rookie.

Even if that experienced play is going to be soon cut loose.

It's not logical

 

I've also discussed our scheme in other threads.

It's true that the classic 4-3 defence can still work.

In our case though we play a one gap system our DE's line up very wide. It puts more pressure on our DT's to be dominant and win each battle. More than any other 4-3 team in the league we rely on top notch DT's.

We need the kind of DT's that are hard to find now with smaller athletes being the norm coming out of college. It's harder for the Titans to find the right linemen to make our scheme work.

The Colts run a scheme that has a bigger talent pool to pick from when needing to replace guys. They seem to be able to replace guys at will.

We were rotating guys who couldn't get it done. Jason Jones is still not recovered from that shoulder injury. If he's healthy we might bounce back but there's no effective depth because the right players that fit are so hard to find.

Our scheme is sorely lacking if we don't have the right guys inside.

 

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