Yeah, hasselbeck wasn't. Collins got more chances than deserved due to him being a 1st round pick. But by the time they got here, they were career backups. Their past means very little once they get here. By that rationale, Moss and Moulds weren't scrubs here. All of these people may as well have been career backups, because they were of little use to us. But yes, you're right that those two weren't. but they were not good by the time they got here. Forgot about those two, because I'm used to seeing them as they are now, not what they were in 2003.