OK This Titans WR Hate Has to Stop!

Umm, I think he said about average.

 

Even about average isn't correct. If you think they are average that would still put them in the 14th-19th range of top WRs by teams. I think if you compare the Titans WRs to other teams WRs, it's pretty clear there are maybe only 2-3 teams where I wouldn't swap receivers (not counting salary cap, age, but strictly from a proven talent for 2008 perspective).

Saying our WRs are average is like people that grade drafts by team and don't give a grade lower than a C. If our WRs are average, then I guess no team in the NFL has below average WRs.

 

I really don't know where your coming from. It is difficult to compare our WR's to other teams because these WR's have been on a predominantly run oriented team with a QB that is struggling w/ a poor INT/TD ratio, reading defenses and mechanics. Our QB is at least equally responsible for our team's poor passing performance. I have no problem with the statement that our passing unit is below average but to pin it on the WR's solely when the ball hasn't been placed where to should be simply isn't accurate.

 

I always refer back to the Kerry Collins start against the Texans. Our WR's caught the ball and actually played pretty well. Even though the WR's do drop the ball alot most is because of Vince. We shouldn't be worried anymore though.

http://www.gotitans.com/goForum/showthread.php?t=37680

 

Vince needs to play better and more consistently. The WR's need to be more consistent.

That said, I think much of the problem last year was an offensive scheme that failed to utilize players' strengths.

The most glaring example of this was Vince. Instead of designing plays around Vince's mobility, Chow developed a scheme that used Vince in a more traditional role. (In otherwords, instead of asking Vince to be Vince, he wanted Vince to be Matt Leinart.)

This approach also extended to the WR's. Instead of placing players in a position to utilize their strengths, Chow created a relatively vanilla scheme, and used a cookie-cutter approach toward the WR's.

With virtually any NFL team, you can look at the receiving corps and identify each player's role in the offense. One guy is a possession receiver, another guy is the deep threat, another guy is the slot receiver, etc. Each member of the group has an indentity within the offense.

But with the Titans, nobody had an identity. Instead of allowing each player to develop his strengths, Chow asked each of them to do it all. As a result, you get a group of receivers where each of them is basically the same guy, and none of them is particularly strong in any one area.....wholly unremarkable as a group.

Heimerdinger will take a different approach. By tailoring the scheme to the strengths of the players, he will put each player in a position to maximize his own potential and do whatever it is that he does best. This should make the receivers more comfortable and confident in the offense, which should translate into a more consistent performance overall.

Not that they'll suddenly transform into an elite unit, but I could see them becoming a solid, consistent group, comparable to teams like the Seahawks, Eagles, or Buccaneers.

 

Oh really? Collins actually had a lower ypt average than VY, and he had a lower passing avergae (even with the Colts final game to boost his average). In the Houston game, he hit 60% (not 62% as VY was for the year) of his passes for 6.7 ypt (same as VY on the year). Against the Texans! The only reason Collins passer rating is better is becuase he had 0 INTs (and 0 TDs). There is not a difference between the QBs, it's the scheme that made them so bad.

 

I didn't pin it soley on the WRs. It is a combination of problems.

But, to say our WRs are average, leads me to believe that you think they are better than half the other WRs in the league.

Lets look at the starters. (and for the sake of discussion, exclude age and salary cap in consideration... since we are discussing our WRs talents for this season vs. other wrs.)


Titans: Gage, J-Mac

AFC East:
Pats: Moss, Welker
Bills: Lee Evans, James Hardy
Dolphins: Tedd Ginn, Derek Hagan
Jets: Cotchery, L. Coles

I would take the Titans over the Dolphins.

AFC North:
Ravens: D.Mase, Mark Clayton
Bengals: Chad Johnson, T.J. Housh
Browns: Braylon Edwards, Donte Stallworth
Steelers: Ward, S.Holmes

I could see an argument against the Ravens, but I would still take them over ours for this next season.

AFC South:
Texans: Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter
Colts: Wayne, Harrison
Jags: Porter, Northcutt

I would probably take ours over the Jags.

AFC West:
Broncos: Marshall?, Stokely
Chiefs: D. Bowe, Devard Darling
Raiders: J. Walker, R. Curry
Chargers: C. Chambers, V. Jackson

I could see an argument against the Broncos (if Marshall gets suspended), and the Chiefs. But I would still take the Chiefs over our WRs based on how good Bowe looked last year.

NFC East:
Cowboys: Owen, Terry Glen
Giants: Burress, Toomer
Eagles: Reggie Brown, Kevin Curtis
Redskins: Santana Moss, Antwaan Randel-el

Could see the argument vs. the Eagles, but I'd still take the Eagles WRs.

NFC North:
Bears: Marty Booker, Mark Bradley
Lions: Roy Williams, Calvin Johnson
Packers: Donald Driver, Greg Jennings
Vikings: Bernard Berrian, Sidney Rice

I would take the Titans over the Bears.

NFC South:
Falcons: Roddy White, Laurent Robinson
Panthers: Steve Smith, DJ Hackett
Saints: Colston, David Patten
Bucs: Joey Galloway, Michael Clayton

A weak group. I like Roddy White, so I'd take the Falcons over us. Can see a solid argument vs. the Bucs.

NFC West:
Cardinals: Boldin, Fitzgerald
49ers: Isaac Bruce, Bryant Johnson
Seahawks: Bobby Engram, Nate Burleson
Rams: Torry Holt, Drew Bennett

I would trade the Titans starters for any of those, though Seattle looks kind of weak.




So, I see 3 teams where I'd rather have our WRs then theirs. I see maybe 4 more teams where it would be questionable.

I don't see how that puts our WRs as average. If they are average, then they should fall in the middle of the pack right? About 15 teams better, 15 teams worse. Can you find 15 teams where you'd take our WRs over theirs?
Can you point out to me the teams with below average WRs?


That's where I am coming from.

 

A lot of guys have brought up how well are receivers played in the houston game but I must have watched a different game. Roydell williams had a great game but other than that gage was the only receiver to make a catch. And kerry collins threw the ball 42 times that game which was more than vince through in a game all year. QB's and receivers usually get into a rhythm as the game goes on but our offense was never consistently throwing the ball which makes the timing much harder. I think this year our receivers and vince will look better but I also don't think our receiving corps is average in terms of talent.

 

Only by retards are they called that.

People make it seem like they had the most drops in the NFL which is entirely inaccurate.

The problem with our passing game was not our WRs. It was the lack of production that we got out of our RBs and TEs. Not our WRs. Then again I wouldn't expect some of you to understand anything about football considering the knowledge around here is quite superficial at times.