1. Pardon our mess as we continue to update the new forum software. Big thanks to Mike and Preditan for all their help in the transition. If you run into any problems, put them in the Update Thread.

Monday Morning QB: First Half Grades

Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by goTitans.com, Nov 6, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. PhiSlammaJamma

    PhiSlammaJamma Yao

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2003
    Messages:
    6,506
    Aikman started out his first game with a 28-0 shutout loss against the New Orleans Saints. The following week against Atlanta, Aikman threw his first touchdown pass, a 65-yard completion to Michael Irvin, but the Falcons intercepted two of his passes and won the game. The next few weeks were not any better. First, the Washington Redskins sacked him four times, intercepted two passes, and held him to only six completions in his first home game. Then the Giants came to Dallas and only allowed Aikman to complete one pass before knocking him out of the game with a broken finger, which sidelined him for 5 games. During that time, the Cowboys ended up winning their only game of the year. However, when Aikman returned, he showed the league why he was worthy of being picked with the first choice of the NFL. In a close game against the Phoenix Cardinals, he threw for NFL-rookie record 379 yards, including an 80-yard touchdown pass that gave Dallas a 20-17 lead with 1:43 left in the game, but the Cardinals came back on their next drive to win the game. With the exception for a 17-14 loss against Miami, the Cowboys never came close to winning another game for the rest year, and were finished off with a 20-10 loss to the Green Bay Packers in their final game with Aikman throwing 4 interceptions.

    Aikman finished with an 0-11 record (155 of 293 for 1,749 yards, 9 TDs, 18 INTs)
    #11
  2. Titansfan10

    Titansfan10 Camp Fodder

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2006
    Messages:
    458
    doesnt mean they will at the end of the season, anyway, i dont assume CJ will be on the board when we are choosing, im just hoping that in someway we end up getting him
    #12
  3. RollTide

    RollTide All-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2002
    Messages:
    20,183
    Titanbudman...

    So that is your standard for your football team to lose 75% of the time and be close in half your losses? A 50% blowout rate when we lose is pretty good for you then?

    What the hell grade should jeff fisher get an A+? We are like the damn mets of the early 60s. And if our talent level is so poor why have you not demanded reese's firing?

    Someone has to be responsible for this team stinking so bad the last 2 seasons. It's not fate, it's not meant to be we suck because BOTH reese and fisher have not been doing their damn jobs.

    It was fisher who pushed volek out the door. It was fisher who brought in collins and started him with a week of preperation and it was fisher who decided to go with young. It was reese who drafted all these lame players that you call below normal.
    #13
  4. RollTide

    RollTide All-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2002
    Messages:
    20,183
    Aikman the poster boy for lose causes..

    He really is because he was terrible his first 2 seasons. 9 TDs with 18 ints his first year and then 11 TDs with 18 ints his second year. Very few QBs start off that poorly and still amount to anything.
    #14
  5. TNThunder

    TNThunder Guest

    Don't be so sure. I think deep down Fisher really wanted Volek. I believe Adams making Reese take Vince changed the entire season. For all practical purposes, we were done the minute that happened. It may pay dividends in the future, but for now all this hand wringing about the team is futile. We are stuck with a QB that is clearly not ready to play in the NFL, and we will just have to wait until he is. The trouble is, players hate losing, and when you are 2-6, you are going to see guys start going through the motions, but not giving everything they can. Growing pains. As far as Fisher, it will come down to whether he wants to remain here and coach the "Vince Young Era".
    #15
  6. fltitan

    fltitan Guest

    Ithink changes need to be made on the staff and maybe Reese but not Fisher. Schwartz MUST be replaced and an aggressive DC needs to be hired maybe Wiiliams will be available if Washington cleans house this year. It's interesting to me that no one ever talks about our OLine coach here. The OL has been terrible for at least 3 years but Munch gets a pass. We cant run the ball or protect the QB. The OL needs to show drastic improvement or Munch needs to go. Many here wanted VY to start and I'm not saying it's bad but we got just what we all really expected a very inexperienced QB who will take some time to learn the game in the NFL. The experience will be very valuable over the next couple of years but it wont get any better this year. Keep Fisher change the DC, spend the 41M to get some players and we will be in the playoffs within 2 yrs.
    #16
  7. Vigsted

    Vigsted Starter

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2005
    Messages:
    4,249
    I think the reason Munch is getting a pass is because most of us feel that the reason for poor O-line play isn't poor scheming or technique, it's old players who should give way for the young players of the future.
    #17
  8. TitanFanBudMan

    TitanFanBudMan Professor

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2006
    Messages:
    248
    Of course that is not my standard (I am paying 2 grand a year to watch this), but you are naive if you did not think it was going to take a few years to get out of Salary Cap Hell. This franchise Tennessee/Houston has never won a super bowl, and they kept the team together to try and make a championship run. The penalty was that we would have a few years after the run with teams that lost most (nearly all except #53) of their star power. Having said that, we would be better if our last few years of drafting would have been decent, and they must be called subpar at best. I agree that Floyd Reese should be held accountable, but you can not blame Jeff until he gets the title of GM/Head Coach. Floyd gets the final say. Lets take a look:

    2002 - Albert Haynesworth, Tank Williams, Rocky Calmus, Mike Echols, Rocky Boiman, Jake Schifino, Justin Hartwig, Darrell Hill. Haynesworth has undeniable talent, but there are issues. Tank was a good pick but has had injuries, Boiman ok for a late rounder and Hartwig was a nice pick. Lots of misses in this draft.

    2003 - Andre Woolfork, Tyrone Calico, Chris Brown, Rien Long, Donnie Nickey (he traded up for this stud), and Todd Williams. This is perhaps our worst draft over the past few years. No starters. Chris Brown could have been a star, but injuries kept him down.

    2004 - Ben Troupe, Travis LaBoy, Antwan Odom, Randy Starks, Rich Gardner, Bo Schobel, Mike Waddell, Jacob Bell, Rob Reynolds, Troy Fleming, Jared Clauss, Eugne Amamo, Sean McHugh - Lots of picks here. Jacob Bell has been solid. Troupe shows flashes, LaBoy can pass rush when healthy. Odom still has potential, but will we see it. Amano is worthy, but the rest are either gone or should be gone

    2005 - Adams Jones, Michael Roos, Courtney Roby, Brandon Jones, Vince Fuller, David Stewart, Roydell Williams, Damien Nash, Bo Scaife, and Reynaldo Hill. This has been the best draft. Jones is a talent much like Haynesworth, but there are issues. Roos is going to be a great one. I am a huge Brandon Jones fan, Reynaldo Hill was a great pick in the 7th, and is clearly the best corner outside of pac even though we have drafted many higher. Bo Scaife has been very good and David Stewart looks promising at Tackle. We need more drafts like this one. Roby and R Williams have not been all that and I heard great thing prior to the injury for Fuller, but where is he now? Like I said, no many misses with this one.

    2006 - Vince Young, LenDale White, Calvin Lowry, Stephen Tulloch, Tarna Nande, Jesse Mahelona, Jonathan Orr, Cortland Finnegan, Spencer Toone, Quinton Gather - This one is too early to call as the verdict is still out on all of the ones playing, but Finnegan looks like a solid late rounder, and I was happy that if they did not think Nande couldn't play, they didn't keep him for years like that did with Echols. You can draw your own conclusions about Vince and LenDale. I don't have a clue yet, but I do wish Vince would use his legs a bit more.

    Conclusion, 1 good draft, 3 bad drafts, and 1 who knows. Is that enough to keep Floyd Reese? My guess is no, but I still have 41 million reasons to think that if we don't screw up Vince that we could compete for the playoffs in 2007.

    sorry for the length, and I apologize if I missed anyone of the draft picks. I did the majority from memory.
    #18
  9. RollTide

    RollTide All-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2002
    Messages:
    20,183
    Budman...

    We got out of cap helll in part by by adding 5 significant free agents this year and another veteran player last year. Granted givens hasn't done a thing but he signed a 5 year contract so it is too early to judge him. We added thornton, hope and robaire smith to the defense and it seems we are only worse. How is that? We gave up a 3rd rd pick for travis henry and he has done some good things.

    I'm not saying that thornton-hope-robaire-givens-henry-mawae are equal to all the players we lost but they make up for it some. Then there is the fact we drafted high 2 years in a row.

    I look at our defense and just can't believe we are so bad. KVB and bulluck are pro bowl caliber guys. Hope, thornton and robaire smith are good players. Pacman has played well we know he has talent. Haynesworth is a good player and was with us for almost 4 games. Is this really the least talented defense in the nfl? We have not even had that many injuries. I have to blame the coaching staff for those failures.
    #19
  10. TitanFanBudMan

    TitanFanBudMan Professor

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2006
    Messages:
    248
    I agree the free agency signing were a big plus, but rarely doesn't anyone in the NFL win with a rookie QB. I can only thing of Pittsburgh with Big Ben, maybe Marino?. I think with McNair this was an 8-8 team....not bad, not good, but Vince in not ready. He might be ready next year, but if we wait until next year to play him...I don't think he would be ready. This season is not going to get us to the playoffs...might as well as get Vince prepared for the NFL. I like KVB, Starks, Haynesworth, and Smith on the line. I am still waiting on LaBoy and Odom to play to their potential. I think Thornton and Bulluck are excellent. Hope and Pac are great and Hill to me would be a good nickel. Lamont is not good, but in reality we are pretty solid at 8 of 11 positions win Albert plays, but we have absolutely no depth which is needed to win in the NFL> I agree the defense should be better than it is playing. I contend that we fire Schwartz and Bud and Steve Underwood should probably can Floyd Reese. I still think we have more issues on offense. We need to replace a couple on the line, and we got to have WRs catch the freaking ball. I am not ready to give up on Chow even though it appears the NFL has been a large learning curve. Chow has to stay with Vince or we are looking at another large learning curve for Vince next year. We can't afford that.
    #20
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.