Mel Kiper's 3 Round Mock

1. Just because he is the same size doesn't make him Mathis
2. I have never been convened the Mathis can be effective w/o Freeny lining up on the other side (just my opionon).
3. Athletes != football players.

So you would have us go DE in the first and then situational pass rushing DE in the third? Brilliant plan. With all the holes we have I am sure that we will be right on top again with a draft strategy like that. :smh:

I don't see Moch as being able to provide us with anything that Ford can't. A situational pass rusher is only going to give us 5-6 sacks a season which Ford already does. I don't see the value of Moch in the third especially considering the Moffitt can start at center for us at day one and will also go in the third (IMO)

Our defense I already going to be altered by the fact that we have a new head coach and defensive coordinator. I see Gray using a defense similar to what Williams uses in New Orleans, a super aggressive version of the 4-3. IDK about Miller but I think he can be a Clay Matthews type player and be good coverage while being an elite pass rusher. If nothing else at least Miller has tape of him covering as a 4-3 OLB depending on how much stock you put into the senior bowl.

True, but before the knee surgery Carter was a 1st round pick. I see Carter in the second as a less risky pick then Moch in the third as we at least no that Carter has had the ability to play in the 4-3 at some point in his life.

 

If we get Fairley in the 1st he isn't playing DE so we will have to address the DE spot at some point. We can speculate that Jones might move outside but that is really speculation.

I'd be fine with Fairley and Mallett. Moffitt is a decent player and was a real road grader in college. But he isn't real quick. Since we pck so early in the 3rd I think we would be better off waiting until the 4th to see what value there is there for Moffitt or another interior OL guy. You would think Munch can find the right guy if anyone can.

Value at the 3rd round spot could be OLB or S. Moch is actually similar to Miller. Very fast for his size (4.44), a great vertical (42 inches) and he projects better as a 3-4 OLB. I think he would be a good pick in the 3rd round. Fairly smooth in pass defense, great blitzer and could play DE on passing downs. He is only 6'1 so he isn't a rangy guy. He is certainly athletic enough and not to big to play OLB in a 4-3 but would have to learn the position. Still his physical skills can't be ignored. My guess is some 3-4 team will grab him before our 3rd round pick.

 

Really? Ford had 3 sacks last year and he played a lot after Morgan got hurt. His sack totals have fallen every year.

7.0 in 2008
5.5 in 2009
3.0 in 2010


I think Moch can do better than that.


The DE i want us to take in rd 1 is not a speed rusher. Watt is 290 lbs and can play inside for us also. Moch is a play maker and could be used in a lot of ways. We drafted an OLB in rd 3 last year who did nothing for us at all. If Moch could cover kicks well and be a gunner on punts and get us 5 sacks that is much better than what we got from Curran.

My definition of Moch's role was for his first year or 2 in the league. The hope would be that he could develop into a more complete OLB and do more things over time. I'm talking about a 3rd rd pick.

I'm imagining an obvious passing situation with Moch and Morgan at the ends and Jones and Watt inside.

As for Carter he had his surgery in December. What if he could not play at all this year? It's possible. I highly doubt if Wilson will be there in rd 2 after his awesome combine but if Wilson and Carter were both there in rd 2 that would be a no brainer. I doubt it though.

 

Kiper is not better than McShay.

McShay at least knows what he's talking about 30% of the time. That's 30% better than Kiper.

 

Here ya go

Kiper

65. Carolina Allen Bailey DL Miami (Fla)
66. Cincinnati Ryan Williams RB Virginia Tech
67. Denver Christian Ballard DL Iowa
68. Buffalo Lance Kendricks TE Wisconsin
69. Arizona James Carpenter OT Alabama
70. Cleveland Jarvis Jenkins DT Clemson
71. Dallas Da'Norris Searcy S North Carolina
72. New Orleans (from Wash) Chris Carter LB Fresno St.
73. Houston Kendric Burney CB North Carolina
74. New England (from Minn) Jon Baldwin WR Pittsburgh
75. Detroit Marcus Gilbert OT Florida
76. San Francisco Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada
77. Tennessee John Moffitt OG Wisconsin
78. St. Louis Alex Green RB Hawaii
79. Miami Edmond Gates WR Abilene Christian
80. Jacksonville Quinton Carter S Oklahoma
81. Oakland Chimdi Chekwa CB Ohio St.
82. San Diego Marcus Cannon OT TCU
83. New York Giants Terrell McClain DT South Florida
84. Tampa Bay Colin McCarthy LB Miami (Fla)
85. Philadelphia Ross Homan LB Ohio St.
86. Kansas City Greg Salas WR Hawaii
87. Indianapolis Drake Nevis DT LSU
88. New Orleans Kendall Hunter RB Oklahoma St.
89. San Diego (from Seattle) Akeem Dent LB Georgia
90. Baltimore Will Rackley OL Lehigh
91. Atlanta DeMarco Murray RB Oklahoma
92. New England Marcus Gilchrist DB Clemson
93. Chicago Stefen Wisniewski OL Penn St.
94. New York Jets Greg Little WR North Carolina
95. Pittsburgh Austin Pettis WR Boise St.
96. Green Bay Cortez Allen CB The Citadel
97. Carolina (comp selection) Kenrick Ellis DT Hampton

McShay

65. Carolina Jarvis Jenkins DT Clemson
66. Cincinnati Kendall Hunter RB Oklahoma State
67. Denver Quan Sturdivant LB North Carolina
68. Buffalo Lance Kendricks TE Wisconsin
69. Arizona Marcus Gilbert OT Florida
70. Cleveland Leonard Hankerson WR Miami (FL)
71. Dallas Brandon Hogan CB West Virginia
72. New Orleans (from Wash) Rodney Hudson G/C Florida State
73. Houston Jaiquawn Jarrett S Temple
74. New England (from Minn.) Jabaal Sheard DE Pittsburgh
75. Detroit Daniel Thomas RB Kansas State
76. San Francisco Kenrick Ellis NT Hampton
77. Tennessee Curtis Brown CB Texas
78. St. Louis Johnny White RB North Carolina
79. Miami Dion Lewis RB Pittsburgh
80. Jacksonville Greg Little WR North Carolina
81. Oakland Virgil Green TE Nevada
82. San Diego Lee Ziemba OT Auburn
83. New York Giants Terrell McClain DT South Florida
84. Tampa Bay Shane Vereen RB California
85. Philadelphia Joshua Thomas CB Buffalo
86. Kansas City Tandon Doss WR Indiana
87. Indianapolis John Moffitt G Wisconsin
88. New Orleans Joseph Lefeged S Rutgers
89. San Diego (from Seattle) Colin McCarthy LB Miami (FL)
90. Baltimore James Brewer OT Indiana
91. Atlanta Kendric Burney CB North Carolina
92. New England Marcus Gilchrist DB Clemson
93. Chicago Gregory Salas Hawaii
94. New York Jets Jerrel Jernigan WR Troy
95. Pittsburgh Luke Stocker TE Tennessee
96. Green Bay Christopher Carter OLB Fresno State
97. Carolina (compensatory) Edmund Gates WR Abilene Christian

 

Please NO. After taking Craig Stevens and Jared Cook I would be so mad to see the TE I wanted the Titans to eventually draft selected by Pittsburg!!