There aren't any better stats. That's what I've said several times. I'm saying you misused stats, because it looks like in this post you are comparing Omar Jacobs and Jay Cutler based on their team stats. Maybe thats not what you were trying to do.. but thats what it looked like. Then you make a conclusion based on those team stats that Jacobs is a better value with the 20th pick than cutler would be with the 3rd pick. You made that conclusion after comparing their team stats. All these stats are saying is that Jacob had more concrete success on his team than Cutler had on Vandy. That doesnt compare their abilities; and in my mind its their abilities that give them their value. I totally understand your desire to use facts to back up your argument. You just cant do that in these discussions because we dont have the facts that we need. Its like we're trying to build a shed and we're out of nails. Instead of admitting that and realizing that we just cant build this shed right now, you're trying to use thumb tacks. It just doesnt work.