Collins our QB of the future?

I don't know about that. I just ran Bradshaw's career numbers through the NFL QB rating calculator, and it came up as 70.9. So I think the ratings for the players I quoted have been adjusted for current rules. Below is the link for the NFL QB rating calculator.

NFL passer rating puts the biggest emphasis on completion % and on turnovers. Bradshaw had a low completion % and a bunch of INTs. He also only averaged about 167 pass YPG because the team's run game was so wonderful. So his rating would still be low if he played today (going just off his career #'s -- if he played today it's possible his entire style would be different than it was in the 1970's)

None of this means Collins is a better QB than Bradshaw or Namath -- I'm just pointing out that QB rating isn't a great indicator of how good a QB may be...

http://www.primecomputing.com/

 

Yup, but you have to take into account the teams they played on. For instance, everyone says that Archie manning was a great QB. Maybe so (I'm too young to remember having seen him play except for the last few years of his career), but his stats are horrible (55.2 comp. %, 125 TD, 173 INT, 67.1 QB rating) . Even worse, look at his record as a starting QB: 35-101-3!!!! Just going off these stats, I would say he was a horrible QB. But then I look deeper and see he played mainly on absolutely dreadful teams.

So I take into account what teams they played on when I look at W-L records. If they played on perenniel playoff contenders, their record should be way better than if they played on perenniel crappy teams.

 

So in a run first offense it makes sense to draft a QB 3rd overall and pay him multi-millions to hand it off? Hmmm

 

I really don't think most people regarded manning as a great qb. He was a great college qb and then became a solid qb in the nfl. He's mainly known for his college career and being a great ambassador of the game. And he's also got 2 good sons.

 

And rolltide wasn't saying the qb rating has changed but that the change of rules probably would add 15 on their qb rating.

 

So the NFL will understand that these guys are athletes and not QBs....the QB position will start to detioriate and these guys will be drafted with the intent to put them on a field as either a WR or DB. They will be exposed for what they are, runners who excel in space, not QBs.

 

It sure worked well with McNair. Hmmm

 

So you can't have a good arm and be able to run well too? I don't understand why there is this one-track approach that says either you can run, or you can throw, but you can't do both. There aren't many in the league right now, but that goes back to my original post of it being a new concept colleges are trying.

 

Vick had a great arm, it's more about mental capacity I think. We won't find it in these guys when they are not students of the game and just streetballers. Essentially, any QB who predicates his whole game from HS to NFL on running the spread option like Pat White and Tim Tebow are not prepared for the NFL, and cannot be counted on to play QB. They get by on their athleticism, and in College, that is OK. At the pro level, it's a little different when you're getting hit by guys like RayRay, PWillis and EJ Henderson. Eventually their bodies will break down quicker than that of a passer, and then what do you have? Someone who can no longer use their strength and now has to throw? See Vince Young, Alex Smith, Omar Jacobs, Eric Crouch.