Barry Bonds

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by RyansTitans, Apr 10, 2007.

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  1. Deuce Wayne

    Deuce Wayne Damnit, I cant find my driving moccasins anywhere!

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    I didn't mention the lack of evidence vs Bonds. Yes, you can say the fields were bigger, the mounds higher, and even the balls today are spun tighter, but if you're playing with less athletic players it throws it all out the window.
    Hank is just like Wilt Chamberlain. Do you think Wilt would score 100 points today? He played far inferior competition, so he did what he did. Sugar Ray Robinson same way. While these guys were great, the people they were playing simply were not.
    If I play 1on1 basketball game with a Junior Varsity player, I'll probably murder him. Even if you raise the goal a foot. Even if you move my 3 point line back 2 feet. Even if you make me play in sandals.
    Hank's record is beaten already by A-Rod, so whether he earned it or not he was going to lose it soon. Unless A-Rod just randomly retires and pulls a Tiki Barber or something.
    We always view players in the past as better than they were. Mainly because we only remember their highlights. Today on the best damn sports show they had a top 50 catches of all time count down. The number 2 was Willie Mays' catch running toward the wall. Why was it number 2? Why does everyone act like it was such a great catch? He simply ran backwards and caught over his head. We see it a few times a week in baseball today. But since it was a classic moment, it's magnified to extremes. This is why people think Muhammed Ali would beat today's talents. Wilt was better than Michael, and Babe Ruth would pass a physical in today's sports.
  2. Carpy

    Carpy Disgruntled foreign veteran

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    See, that is an entirely flawed argument.

    Take athletics. Jesse Owens winning time at the 1936 Olympics for the 100m was 10.3 seconds. That wouldn't even get you qualified for te Olympics today. Does that mean he was a scrub? Training techniques, access to information, diet techniques, money that allows athletes to train full-time, advanced starting blocks and electronic timing all contribute to today's sprinters being much faster. Had Jesse Owens had all these benefits he may still be the world record holder. An athlete can, and should, only be judged on how they performed against their competition at the time.

    The fact that his opposition were inferior to him doesn't mean they were scrubs. Jesse Owens lost the world record many, many years ago, yet his feat of winning the 100m, 200m, long jump and 4 x 100m relay should still be considered a great achievement.

    Don't ask "could Wilt Chamberlain have scored 100 in a game today", ask "could Wilt Chamerlain have scored 100 in a game today if he had been born into the same era and followed the same training approach etc". The fact that Kobe scored 81 should tell you that it is not inconceivable.
  3. TitanJeff

    TitanJeff Kahuna Grande Staff

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    Right. Bonds was a HOFer years ago. But 756 is clearly tainted.
  4. RyansTitans

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    Baseball is tainted get over it..

    How do you know that the greats of the past didn't use something? How do you know? You don't. Who cares how anyone breaks records now a days. They did it. Respect the accomplishment.

    4:46 of this video

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=isIe8JNDmKQ
  5. TitanJeff

    TitanJeff Kahuna Grande Staff

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    Mass doesn't mean strength as his numbers this year shows.
  6. TitanJeff

    TitanJeff Kahuna Grande Staff

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    You keep kidding yourself if that is what you need to justify a cheater.
  7. RyansTitans

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    Well this is what ill say and be done fighting about it.

    If you and everyone else are so sure of your self that Bonds has used roids in the past and is still using them then you have no problem. Because he will get caught. But if he never gets caught and never gets tested positive there should be no reason why you cant just stop the hating on him and respect the man. If you got arrested for killing someone but you know you didn't do it and they have no evidence on you that you did but they continue to question you over and over and over... isn't that wrong?
  8. BigRed3

    BigRed3 Straight Cash, Homey

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    You know how ignorant you sound right now?
  9. RyansTitans

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    Do you know how ignorant every Bonds hater sound when they attack him constantly yet dont care nor never will care that Bonds is only a fraction of people who were and are accused of using performance enhancing drugs
  10. Carpy

    Carpy Disgruntled foreign veteran

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    Wouldn't you be LOUDLY protesting your innoncence if that was you and you were truly innocent?
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