A new strategy, trade down!

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  1. Titans2008

    Titans2008 Camp Fodder

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    What more could you want in a linebacker than Hawk ? The guy has it all...

    Wasn't dominant ? Did you watch the man play this season ? They don't just hand out Lombardi awards...
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  2. thnom

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    Ok here we go:

    The 32 NFL teams and their starting QB from last year (or threw for over 1,000 yards):

    Buffalo: Kelly Holcomb (Undrafted) / JP Losman (1/22)
    Miami: Gus Frerotte (7)
    New England: Tom Brady (6)
    NYJ: Brooks Bollinger (6)

    Baltimore: Kyle Boller (1/19) / Anthony Wright (Undrafted)
    Cincinnati: Carson Palmer (1/1)
    Cleveland: Trent Dilfer (1/6) / Charlie Frye (3)
    Pittsburgh: Ben Roethlisberger (1/11)

    Houston: David Carr (1/1)
    Indianapolis: Peyton Manning (1/1)
    Jacksonville: Byron Leftwich (1/7) / David Garrard (4)
    Tennessee: Steve McNair (1/3)

    Denver: Jake Plummer (2)
    Kansas City: Trent Green (8/Undrafted in today's game)
    Oakland: Kerry Collins (1/5)
    San Diego: Drew Brees (2)

    Dallas: Drew Bledsoe (1/1)
    NYG: Eli Manning (1/1)
    Philadelphia: Donovan McNabb (1/2) / Mike McMahon (5)
    Washington: Mark Brunell (5)

    Chicago: Kyle Orton (4)
    Detroit: Joey Harrington (1/3)
    Green Bay: Brett Favre (2)
    Minnesota: Daunte Culpepper (1/11) / Brad Johnson (9/Undrafted in today's game)

    Atlanta: Mike Vick (1/1)
    Carolina: Jake Delhomme (Undrafted)
    New Orleans: Aaron Brooks (4)
    Tampa Bay: Chris Simms (3) / Brian Griese (3)

    Arizona: Kurt Warner (Undrafted) / Josh McCown (3)
    San Franscisco: None (Alex Smith (1/1) / Tim Rattay (7) / Ken Dorsey (7) / Cody Pickett (7)
    Seattle: Matt Hasselbeck (6)
    St. Louis: Marc Bulger (6) / Jamie Martin (Undrafted)

    That's the entire list of teams with 1,000 yard QBs (enough playing time).

    1(1-16): 14
    1(17-32): 2
    2: 3
    3: 4
    4: 3
    5: 2
    6: 4
    7: 1
    Undrafted (and later none existant rounds): 7

    Whilst the numbers do strongly indicate that taking a QB in the first 16 picks is more successful than that outside - you have to look at the FACTS.

    Teams give top picks much more chance than they would have at later stages. Mike Vick, Joey Harrington, JP Losman, David Carr?, Kyle Boller to name a few. Then there are the "golden oldies".. the top picks from ages ago who are filling in for teams who are looking to find that new young QB, Kerry Collins and Drew Bledsoe stand out.

    Out of the 40 QBs counted, 14 are top 16 picks. That is only 40%.

    Since 1997:
    Ryan Leaf (1/2)
    Tim Couch (1/1)
    Akili Smith (1/3)
    Cade McNown (1/12)

    Whilst not exactly a lot - there are 4 QBs teams wanted to re-build around and got 3 years of nothing back. You may argue that there will at least be 15 QBs selected in later rounds that havn't worked out.. but generally QBs who aren't at that "old age" of trying out (when they were selected later) or in the first round - don't get the opportunity they could thrive in, see Marc Bulger/Tom Brady.
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  3. PragIdealist

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    Those stats are meaningless unless you put in how many picks failed. How many top picks did not make it versus later round picks that did not make it? Otherwise it could (and probably is) largely the case that more qbs are being picked at later rounds (which makes sense becuase there are more picks there.)

    Even then I think just basing your analysis on 1000yr seasons is a bit biased toward the offense that play for. (either style or ability)
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  4. Vigsted

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    What are you talking about? I was just elaborating on my comment for Troupe4Prez. And it's a no brainer that any Longhorns fan will think Vince Young is the best quarterback in the world.

    Well, with the current Titans team he wont ever get to see a playoff game if he doesn't play "like Peyton" the rest of the time.

    And what's with the "hate", I'm just saying there's a reason why scouts and GM's go over hours and hours of tape, and not just 2 Rose Bowls.

    Edit:
    You're probably just still mad I didn't like the new Camaro :))
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  5. Ewker

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    yes trade down and skip over Young. I can see him doing what we have now..practicing 1-2 days a week because he is hurt.
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  6. Puck

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    oh hell, another one with selective hearing

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  7. Puck

    Puck Pro Bowler

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    what "hate" ?

    (this thread is a good example of posters take things out of context)
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  8. Puck

    Puck Pro Bowler

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    Bottom Line

    We Will Not Take Aj Hawk In The 1st Round !!
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  9. RollTide

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    Puck...aka hawk hater...

    You sure have some kind of problem with that guy. You are willing to draft anyone but aj hawk.

    Hawk is one of the absolute best players in this draft and might be a better prospect at his position than any other player except bush. Of course drafting him would be an upgrade to our linebacker corps and would help against the run.
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  10. TitanJeff

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    That certainly settles that.
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