Media's love affair with Fisher coming to an end?

who's giving fisher a pass?? not me, never said that. i said earlier, blame fisher for not making the most of it. he's made mistakes, no doubt. the whole team has. but the biggest mistake has been VY and here's why:

VY has played 54 games
TDs: 54 (including rushing)
INTs: 42
Fumbles: 17
YPG: 175 (including rushing)
QB rating: 75.7

that is a seriously disgusting career at QB. how does a guy with those stats have a job??? because a man with a lot of money is in love with him.

and screw his Win/Loss record, that is a TEAM stat -- sometimes a bad QB plays for a good team. look what collins did in 08 with a good team. and collins is a bad QB too.

 

What are you talking don't you know VY wins games, LOL. I mean look at his record, if VY weren't on the field we'd have no chance of winning those 30 games, c'mon get your head straight .

I totally agree with you, VY has had one of the worst 5 year careers I can ever recall as a QB the stats prove that. What's worse is he's a diva and a crybaby... those are not the qualities of a franchise QB I'm sorry.

Look I despise Fisher as well, as much as anyone on this board. His keep it close coaching style just has no place in today's NFL. The guy is just too stubborn to change, and that's his major flaw. Part of me can't help but wonder, what if Fish was not forced to draft VY, what would our franchise look like now? We could have ended up with Cutler, Leinart, hell anybody other than VY. Something tells me whichever way Fisher went, we'd be better off than we are now.

The only way this franchise gets turned around is by letting Fish and VY go; wipe the slate clean.

If it were me, I'd trade our entire draft for Luck, but that's me. We can always plug hole through free agency, hell with the way we draft we'd be better off using all of them for the sure thing.

But, I'm a realist, I know we're stuck with VY as long as Bud is above ground. Oh well the experiment will continue and so will our mediocre record. BTW, what coach can we possibly get to come in under the pretense that VY has to be the QB... nobody good I'm afraid.

 

Unfortunately Amy only one of the three men you mention has a chance to win a Superbowl one day if they all go different directions. It sure in the hell isn't Fisher.

 

You are failing miserably. 1) VY has pretty much improved every single year in the league. You want to stop now that he's close to 100 in QB rating?

2) He is currently the 5th in QB rating this year.

3) He still has a 30-17 record.

Here is one for you. Player A vs Player B

Year 1 QB rating
Player A 64.3
Player B 66.7

Year 2 QB rating
Player A 81.1
Player B 71.1

Year 3 QB Rating
Player A 88.5
Player B 64.5

Year 4 QB rating
Player A 78.0
Player B 82.8

Year 5 QB rating
Player A 80.1
Player B 98.6


Average QB rating after 5 years.
Player A 78.4
Player B 76.7

Not a big difference in careers so far. One of them is VY and according to you it's pathetic and they should just cut VY. I guess you would say the same about the other pathetic QB rating. The problem is, one of the QB's is in the HOF. The Dallas Cowboy fans are sure feeling good that you weren't in charge of their team. You would had cut Troy Aikman. Good job man. If you want to now change your argument soely that VY just has problems and take the QB rating out of the equation then that's your opinion. How about we wait and see if those problems disappear once Jeff Fisher is gone? VY sure didn't have those problems (not talking about his QB rating in college) when he was playing for Mack Brown and they won the National Championship.

 

Correction. That was the last 5 years of Aikman career in QB rating. Here is his first 5 years.

Year 1 55.7
Year 2 66.6
Year 3 86.7
Year 4 89.5
Year 5 99.9

First 5 years 79.6. Still not a huge difference. Either way you called HOF QB Troy Aikman's first 5 and last 5 years of his career pretty pathetic.

 

One more for you

Year one 54.9
Year two 76.8
Year three 70.2
Year four 79.0
Year five 83.4

Average after first 5 years 72.86. Do you think this is pretty pathetic to?

JOHN ELWAY.

 

2 things you're forgetting, most VY backers are guilty of these...

A. Passer rating is the most useless stat in football and...

B. Being a QB is not only about on the field performance. Most of the issues I have with VY are who he is as a person, not his on the field exploits. You guys have to get that straight. He doesn't have it upstairs and that's his biggest issue, and that is not fixed by just letting him play.

 

Dude, you are flat out wrong. A) You want your opinion to be worth more than a QB rating that takes into account TD, Yards and INT. Are you friggin kidding me? Plus a disadvantage to VY is he can run the ball better than any QB except Vick. Plus, it's your boy jkille that is using QB stats and who I was talking to in the first place to judge how well VY has done.

B) What you can't get straight or unwilling to take a look at is how much Fisher affects VY. VY has never had these issues until he met Fisher. I'm willing to give a QB who currently is at 100 in rating a chance to see what he can do with full support of his coach. Why are you unwilling to think that Fisher has done everything in his power to push VY's button and throw him under the bus to the media every chance he gets. He is suppose to try to get the best out of his players and his ego went way over board to prove his original desire of having Lienart. VY is not the first QB that has thrown a temper tanturn on the sideline. Matter of fact, there is one QB that went crazy at his head coach and went on to win a superbowl and is in the HOF right now. Do you want to guess who?

 

It's a different league now. It's hard to compare QBs from that era to QBs now. Joe Montana, widely considered the best QB ever, never even broke 4000 yards passing in a season. The rules in place now favor QBs, Polian made sure of that. Part of the problem is we have a coach living in the past and a QB not fit for the future.

 

Good to know I'm flat out wrong, of course you're 100% correct, LOL...

If you watch any football you'd know that the vast majority of analysts think QB rating is a stupid stat. I'm just saying that it doesn't even come close to telling the entire story. Those numbers can be inflated by primarily throwing short passes, which will boost the QB rating, among other things. It is one thing to look at but it's not the end all be all. At the end of the day, TO's, TD's and yards are really all that matter, if you're solely basing performance on numbers.

Either way VY turns the ball over more that once per game... 1.1 TO's per game! He has shown that he has not clue how to secure the ball either running or in the pocket, if you disagree with that point you are just blinded by your homerism.

Anything is possible. Is it possible that VY's blows because Fisher is his coach, perhaps? Has VY never gotten it, because Fisher hasn't held his had and wiped his nose every day of his professional life, maybe? Has VY never learned how to properly secure the ball because somewhere along the way nobody every coached that, perhaps. You sound like a lot of people I know... it's always someone else's fault. Blaming someone else for VY's 5 years of poor play on the field, and poor decisions off of it is just a reason to justify you're wrongheadedness. VY needs to be accountable for his own actions, blaming someone else is always the easy way out, and shows low moral fiber.

Maybe if Lombardi were his coach he'd be a real franchise QB, we'll never know. But then again... if Grandma had balls she'd be Grandpa.