Question for the Fisher supporters

Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by That Guy, Dec 10, 2010.

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  1. That Guy

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    1st let me preface this simple post by saying that I'm not looking to get into a ad hom match, so please leave it at the door. :) Thank you in advance.

    Onto the OP.

    There has been a lot of debate regarding Fishers tenure here. A lot of good reasons for and against the keeping/releasing of Jeff.

    But after seeing what some of the Fisher supporters have in defense, I've come to the conclusion that I believe they are afraid of change. If that isn't the cause and you support keeping Fisher, then my apologies and please elaborate!

    Anyway, I'd like to know why change at the HC position is such a bad thing to you?

    Fisher has been here for 17 years with zero rings. He's had nearly 2 decades to bring us a ring.

    What does this organization have to show for it?

    4 seasons with a less than 8-8 record.
    5 seasons with an 8-8 record.
    6 seasons with a record better than 8-8.

    Coincidently every year we've had a better than 8-8 record we've been to the playoffs.

    I don't know about most people but I don't consider an 8-8 record a winning record. So that's 9 years of losing teams. IMO. And at the rate of this seasons decline, 8-8 isn't even fathomable, so it'll be 10 years of losing teams under his tenure.

    I want to add that I don't think Fisher is the worst coach to ever coach in the NFL, far from it. But he certainly isn't worth putting all our eggs in his basket either. Just an average at best NFL HC.

    Is there a chance that we end up with the next HC bust? Sure, but if we don't take that chance we'll never know. If the next guy doesn't work out, then we move on to the next until we find our own Mike Tomlin, Bill Belichick, Tony Dungy, etc.

    There is also the chance that we get a new HC and he uses this teams talent to their full potential and we become the '07 Patriots minus the Super Bowl loss.

    One argument that is being tossed around too much is that the coaches aren't the ones not making plays. While that is very much true, it is the coaches job to motivate the players to make plays and if they can't perform to standard then insert the next guy that is hungry and wants to be on the field.

    If the coaches fail at both motivating the current players and finding better talent, then it's on them, not the players. Even with as vanilla as our offense is at times, given the proper personnel, Fisherball could still work. We just don't have the players for it and Jeff should adjust, not vice versa. CJ isn't going to add 30 lbs of muscle and become Eddie George.

    Sorry for that giant Wall O' Text!

    You're thoughts please?

    TL;DR: Why are Fisher supporters afraid of change?
     
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  2. GoT

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    Fisher won a championship in '99 and lumping the .500 seasons (NFL is designed to have teams play .500) in with the true losing seasons makes your whole post suspect.

    That 99 ring and semantics aside, I agree with some of your arguments. IMO fish face has been stuborn to the point of stupidity in sticking with what clearly is NOT working. That should be the root of the argument IMO.
     
  3. VOLS_and_TITANS

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    wow,u know ur football,i was thinking bout his records in 17 years,just last night,u are exactly right,best thread ever.and his type of offense does need a big running back,and different qb.and think bout the music city miracle,if it wasnt for that,which only would happen 1 out of thousand times,if that,we would of been out of 1st round of playoffs then,by the bills,lol,the bills.



    fire jeff, bud adams,and go after cowher,he said he is listening to offers.
     
  4. VOLS_and_TITANS

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    and with recievers like moss,britt etc,id run 3 or 4 wide 70% of game,and run the ball with the dime package,with 3 or 4 wide.but no,fisher goes into i-form,and pro set the whole game.
     
  5. HeadOnASwivel

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    I agree with everything you said except for motivation being the coaches responsibility.

    It's not the responsibility of a coach to motivate, frankly it's the players responsibility to do it themselves. As a pro you shouldn't need to be motivated to play well, it's a mans game and as such, each play is a challenge to be better than the man in front of you. If you need motivation you shouldn't be playing football, but if you do hang out with Ray Lewis he does more worthless motivating that Susan Powter.
     
  6. That Guy

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    Very true.

    Your post prompted me to look up the winningest coaches of all time. The top 20 all have a 60% or better with Lombardi having the highest at 74%. Jeff has a 55% winning percentage.

    As you said, semantics aside, if he'd adjust to todays NFL and instead of trying to bend it to his will, I'd have no problem with him remaining the head coach of the Titans.
     
  7. That Guy

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    Thanks, but I'm sure there are others here that know much more than I do. A quick Google search will do wonders for ones football knowledge. lol
     
  8. That Guy

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    Very good point.

    Perhaps I should say that it's the coaches job to keep the players motivated.

    Even I get complacent in my job from time to time. Imagine being a millionaire, after their rookie contract, they've probably made more money than the average American will in their life time. I'd imagine they get complacent too.
     
  9. Tackhead #9

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    You've really only been here since May? You're supporting your argument with fact and addressing counter-arguments reasonably like someone who's been here for years...

    Anyhow, my anti-Fisher stance is fairly new and mostly based on this season's collapse. If a team sucked all year, that's one thing; maybe there just isn't enough talent or experience on the roster to garner results (a fate I feel Schwartz is suffering in Detroit, coupled with injury at QB), but for a team to implode like this just screams out degeneration at the top. Be it due to bad coaching philosophy, or players not playing to their apparent talent level, it all points, at least to a degree, at the man in charge.

    I'm tired and frustrated by our mediocrity. I should be thankful I'm not a Raiders or Lions fan, because I simply don't have the patience to wallow through all that misery. The thing is, if we're considered a typically 8-8 franchise, fairly average with some up years and some down years, then there comes a point where that's not good enough either.

    Fisher will always remain an integral part of one of my favourite eras of Titans. The era of warriors, that made me a Titans fan to begin with. Back then, Fisher was known for making something work out of nothing. But now he appears to have something, and not be using it correctly. Commentators say that CJ must show more patience with his running, but to me, his urgency stems from a knowledge that defenders know where and when to expect him, and will be there to stop a play before it develops. If defences know what your key weapon is going to do, and he is adjusting his playstyle negatively because of it, then your scheme is not working, and could end up wasting one of the most explosive players in the league.

    Personally, I'm willing to suffer through a period of bad coaches en route to a truly good one, because I don't know how much longer I can tolerate a stagnant coach who might even be regressing.

    PS. I can't believe I said 'it all points, at least to a degree'. That sounds so ludicrously conflicting. Poor phrasing FTL.
     
  10. That Guy

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    Thanks! I find being logical and rational much easier and makes debate more enjoyable for all than does being emotional and irrational.

    Precisely how I feel for the most part! You don't get to be called the HEAD coach without getting some of if not the most blame for a bad team.

    Aside from his overall winning percentage, excluding this year and '94, the Titans have only had a winning team 40% of the time. Now that we're guaranteed no better than 8-8 this year, that number will drop to 37.5%.

    While CJ is still having a good year by most standards, it's hard to believe he is a year removed from being a 2000 yard rusher with some of his numbers this year. Fisher should have realized that teams are going to be keying on the run due to this and find another way to get him the ball. Alas, that hasn't happened and probably won't under Fisher.

    With the current state of this team, I'd imagine we're going to be in a rebuilding period anyway. Might as well use the next couple of down years to implement a new coaches game plan and personnel. Otherwise we'd be looking at the same 8-8 team for the next few years until Bud passes or Jeff just retires.
     
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