Faulk says Titans known for not paying players (new CJ contract)

That's correct.

The Colts spend most of their money on the Offence.

Their Defence is based on speed and undersized athletic guys which are easy to find in every draft.

They will only pay to keep exceptional defensive players like Freeney.

The majority of their linebackers and secondary are allowed to leave once their initial contract is up. They are dependant on their Offence to give them a lead to play aggressive on defence.

We have a traditional 4-3 that needs a specific type of player on the D line. Our defence lives or dies by our front four pressure and it isn't easy to find the kind of players we need. especially at DT.

Our money is much more evenly spread across the Defence and Offence and our system makes it harder to find players that fit.

 

If we can get the Jamarcus Russells and slew of other players who receive $40M+ in guaranteed money and offer zero value to their team to give back $, then I'm all for players being able to restructure contracts while in the middle of one. Otherwise, the teams (and ultimately, fans) are in lose lose situations and at some point with so many players receiving unearned $, the entire league will approach collapse, and make the ones who did earn their $ collapse with them.

See Greece's economic system.

 

To be fair, the GM has more say in these decisions than anyone. Certainly more than Fisher, and while Adams could override any decisions it technically is the GM who makes the calls. So looking at anything prior to the MR era has some problems. Different GM and a salary cap disaster.

Reese wasn't the same GM after the cap purge - he lost credibility within the organization, and with the cap debacle looming over his head coupled with the disagreements over personnel with Fisher there was little chance the Titans were going to swing for the fences in free agency.

We don't have much data to go on with Reinfeldt in free agency, but he has been very active in dealing with existing players. You can argue that they mis-judged who our core players really are, but he has picked his core and done what it took to lock them up.

 

None of these "Titans are cheap!" or "CJ deserves to be paid more than Pearman" statements answers any of my arguments a few pages back.

What does our history of being cheap have to do with why we should pay CJ now?

Who can really argue that it's a good idea to give CJ a huge bonus with no benefit to the team?

I understand, we haven't won a superbowl, and you people like to complain. That doesn't make your argument valid.

Riverman, I know, I know, we've only been at # 7 in the league in payroll once in the last ten years! Why aren't we in the top 5 every year? Isn't that a reasonable expectation? You say that you don't want us to go crazy, but you don't accept the reasonable spending that we do when we bring in veterans. We paid Mawae, Thornton, Hope, and Washington big contracts, but for some reason they don't count. If we're not in the top 10 in spending regularly, clearly, we never spend.

 

Reese had a habit of back loading contracts.

The 49ers and the Cowboys ran things the same way and both teams also went through a period of Cap hell.

Reese always pro rated his players bonus money across the length of the contract with low wages in the first few years ballooning to huge wages at the end of contracts.

Each time he restructured a player we kept such as McNair,George ,Wycheck the bonus was always pro rated.

When a team does this and a player leaves, any outstanding bonus money can be rolled over to the following years cap. This being when the player is no longer on the roster. This is where the term 'dead cap money' comes from.

The problem is that after two or three restructures the amount of pro rated bonus money is approaching double figures for each season.

There comes a point where there's no room to defer the money any longer and suddenly you have a huge bill to count against your cap before you even look at your roster.

This is what happened to us. After 99' & 2000' we chose to keep the core team together for a perceived run of success knowing that we would have
to pay and rebuild eventually.

Polian was the first to stop back loading contracts and beat the cap.Most of the Colts bonus money is paid up front. They often restructure deals in October to take advantage of any spare cap money they have in an existing season.

When it comes to restructuring their contracts their players have little bonus money pro rated so they don't have to defer money to do it.

Most teams now operate this way. For the most part we do too.

Snyder has been able to keep signing players for the Skins because he pays up front and has little dead money if he cuts a player.The Haynesworth deal went back to old school and they now have $26million of his bonus money pro rated at $4.5 mill per season over the next 6 years.

They gambled a big part of their future cap on Haynesworth in a way that teams haven't done for the last 5-7 years.

 

Doesn't matter how strong or weak your argument is. People around here have nothing better to do that pick your post apart and make something of nothing. I'm with you on this Riverman, the Titans are some cheap skates.

Here are two things we'll all agree on; (1) we are better with C.J. than without and (2) he's deserving of a better deal. Make an argument for his new contract will kill the rest of the team, but he's as productive as an entire offense alone. Right now he's a one of a kind player worth tying down for a long time.

 

I would be more than interested in seeing somebody, somewhere put pen to paper and show the rest of us how it would look. The only way I can think of is to raise his salary by 30% and give one big bonus.

Right now his bas is $550,000.

Change is base over the next five years to:
$715,000
$929,500
$1,208,350
$1,570,855
$2,042,111

This is a grand total to almost $6.5M, so to get him where he deserves to be, you would have to give him a bonus of $50M or so this year, right? Someone let me know if this is way off, but that's how I understand the thing to work.