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Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by TennT1tan, Oct 19, 2009.

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  1. Laserjock

    Laserjock South Endzone Rocks! Staff

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    Personally I don't buy into the whole "NFL players don't make what they are worth" argument...never have in this day and age and never will. Its a bullsh** argument to piss about jersey sales and crap when they are making the kind of money they make.

    There are guys on this team whose play clearly shows they are not worth a fraction of the money coming out of Titan Nation's or Bud's pockets. I am sure these guys probably sit in their Aston Martin in the driveway of their Governor's Club mansion and just cry crocodile tears that they are not getting paid what they deserve. Probably have to vacation across Europe or spend a few weeks at that exclusive resort in the Caribbean just to shake that depression.

    Makes me all misty for them...
     
  2. GLinks

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    All this stuff about salaries aside, this is what I believe to be true:

    Vince Young's failure at this point is not only on him, but Jeff Fisher, too. How can it not be? A coach's job is to develop a player, especially one that was drafted with as much responsibility as was placed on Young's shoulders. Most teams in the league do everything to mold their offense to suit their quarterback, unless they've drafted some later round prospect. But not when that guy is drafted as high as Vince was.

    I do believe Young could have been tougher, but it also seems as though Fish said, "You're going to play this way, or else." In my mind, he set Young up to fail. We've all been around the square peg/ round hole debate.

    This year makes it clear that Fisher will not change anything, for anyone. He is the slowest of all God's creatures to change. In the scheme of evolution, he is a turtle. He was a turtle millions of years ago, and he is a turtle to this very day.

    As far as I'm concerned, Fisher, despite his perfect handling of most media situations, Fisher is about as immature as Young is. "Can't nobody tell him nothing," either.

    The handling of Young (Fish bought a big pass last year) is a continuation of flipping Bud Adams off in the face. I know a lot of old time Oilers fans, especially, have wanted to do that for years, but it's not the kind of thing you want from your head coach. Fisher is a master manipulator. That much is for sure.
     
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  3. LANGSTER

    LANGSTER Pro Bowler

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    YOU GET PAID GOOD MONEY, QUITING IS NOT AN OPTION............PERIOD........if any of this is true then cut them...........if Fish is trying to get fired, sue him dont pay him.......I work hard for my money to go watch all of them, and *** all of them for not giving 100%! NOT ACCEPTABLE
     
  4. Big Time Titan

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    This is the greatest post that I've ever read in here before. Is that you Heimerdinger?

    Fishbag needs to hit the bricks.
     
  5. GLinks

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    :lol:....thanks.

    Heimerdinger...:grrhee:...I wouldn't mind. :ha:
     
  6. amy

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    Maybe Vince has made it bad for himself. He made mistakes last year and showed little maturity, by anyone's standards. What he needs to do is prove to Fisher he has what it takes. Has he done that? Measured by his body language and his play when he does get in the game, I would say no. It matters not that you go in for only a few plays. Those plays have to prove you mean to be the best. That has not been shown.
     
  7. Big Time Titan

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    Hey GLinks thats what really gets me about Fishbag. He just isn't willing to budge on this whole Vince issue. He acts like it's going to kill him to admit that he played it wrong. First he keeps Kerry because we're winning which is cool but then he goes and crowns his @ss like he's a franchise type QB instead of taking Kerry for what he's worth. He is who we thought he was, 30-something journeyman QB who did just enough not to lose the game for us. Not a playmaking, TD-scoring offensive leader.

    And to think that Vince isn't capable of playing better than Kerry Flickin' Collins is a d@mn joke. Out of touch with reality even. Kerry's stats this year haven't lied, he is horrible. He was always average at best and now he's below average.

    Vince needs to be playing. I am praying every chance I get that Bud makes Fishbag start him.
     
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  8. halt

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    It would seem that "The Mrs" is emoting from a position of bias. I have a hard time having any empathy for anyone successful enough in their early lives to play or participate any professional sport. Nor do I begrudge them whatever rewards they receive.
    However, I do know that indirectly me and all other fans pay their wages/salaries and I very much resent it when either the players or staff "lay down" in their efforts, either as coaches or players. And I believe that they all have laid down in the Titans camp. I just saw Jeff Fisher on TV giving a speech and pulled off his jacket and shirt to reveal a manning jersey, saying he wanted to feel like a winner. I'm sure it was in jest, but he makes a good point, at sometime everybody wants to give up.

    But, I won't give up, but I'm mad as hell at the attitude of all these guys, from Bud down, and I want my money's worth. My family spends thousands each year to support the Titans, and the mis-treated millionaire players, and I want RESULTS, not EXCUSES!!
     
  9. TennT1tan

    TennT1tan Camp Fodder

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    Hello????

    When I started this thread, it was with the premise that some of us had already predicted the 'state of the team'. That was in reference to winning and losing. I wished it hadn't of deteriorated to the money issues, the nature of the 'NFL beast' or life in the NFL. These aren't germain to the issue at hand.

    The point to be made was 'why' is this team now losing after a successful season, with a successful Offense and Defense and the stellar Coaches that guide this team. Yes, we slipped up and gave away a Colts win (I think that was a quid pro quo for the year before) where they 'let' us win. Yes, we lost Schwartz (which had magically started to be the Defensive Wizard of the NFL after so many years of struggling). Yes, we lost Albert (who was out several weeks when we were winng games last year).

    So.....Essentially, not much really changed and we were all looking with stars in our eyes at the 'prize'. The Super Bowl.

    Or has something changed. Yes....Yes....Yes. Kerry was losing a step last year. I switched from my 5 Jersey to my 10 Jersey. Yes....we got a new Defensive Coordinator. And yes, take a look at the tapes in post season. Fisher was not happy with the team.

    Maybe that is why so many folks allude back to the last losses last year as a start point of some problems.

    Having played team sports (not pro), I know their is a 'team camaradire' and 'spirit' that often defines a team. I also know that Coach is Coach. Forever!!!! Your respect the coach in all things.

    So when this team has a problem with their coaches (and is anyone really denying this?), it must be something serious. Let us reck-a-lect some events just this year. A player comments that the plays weren't coming into the Defense fast enough. The player is publically called out and demeaned. Kearse is sat down (supposedly to allow the testing of a 'newbie') and he is notified just before game time! I already posted a link about what Kearse had been say BEFORE being sat down. And isn't it strange that we will pull Kearse but not Kerry (to test the new guy)? The logic is the same. And why do this at all when your Defense is riddled with injury and on such a critical game?
    This are questions that are just the tip of the iceberg in that locker room.

    It is leaking out slowly, ever so slowly, that many on the team want's to give VY the up/down chance to prove himself before he is canned. It is also leaking out that Jeff has lost the respect of the team. Coach threw the Defense under the bus for poor quality of play calling by Cecil.

    Even the NFL house organs of ESPN, Sports Center, et al, are commenting about how the team has quit on Fisher.

    So....back to the beginning....Coach is Coach...until he does things so agregious to the players and the team that they disrespect him. Now how does that happen? First, they play like they have on the last two games!!!!

    So....it was easy to see that what we have here 'is a failure to communicate!'. (I couldn't resist that..sorry.) How do we correct it....COMMUNICATE! Fire Cecil, Fisher takes the duties for now. Put in VY as soon as possible and let's find out if he is what many accuse him of or .... has he been rehabilitated. It will be done in front of everyone for all to see. What have we got to lose -- NOTHING. What have we got to gain -- EVERYTHING. Finally, if we keep losing and the play is lackluster, get that new head coach! Done deal, simple and conforms to the way things happen in the NFL.

    Welcome to the NFL Jeff.
     
  10. Loqitar10

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    The fairness of compensation is relative to the "value" of your services. NFL football players are the focal point of a multi-billion dollar product. They earn their pay because the product they fuel produces extreme amounts of revenue. To pay them less generously, as a group, would be thievery. While a handful make enormous incomes, many who take similar risks make relatively low sums because they are not marketable stars. The NFL is an entertainment business with the same sort of star sytem vs standard scale wage disparity seen in Hollywood and on Broadway. Hollywood and Broadway have been around a long time too, but that's not a reason to pay current participants less than their work justifies economically. Not to mention, venture capital is sometimes created from "sweat equity" and that is, afterall, what these guys bring to the enterprise.

    The fact that they are paid better than others who sacrifice their bodies doesn't negate that the economics of their profession simply creates a much bigger pie to divvy up. That is the only reason they make what the do. Football players in lower level leagues, or even established ones like in Canada make far, far less, sometimes even paultry sums - despite their physical sacrifices - because their leagues don't produce the same kind of revenue. Which is exactly why mineworkers, police and firemen don't get paid like the worked for the NFL.

    In addition to the physical price players pay in the short term, its well chronicalled that NFL players have high levels of life-long after-effects - from the spinal stinosis that Earl Campbell now lives with, to the high rates of dementia now being recorded to the fact the NFL players suffer from much shorter life-expectancy than others in thier respective generations. The last time I heard the stats on that it was reported that the life expectancy of an NFL player who spent five or more years in the league was in the 50s. When you look at the whole picture, its really hard for me to begrudge these guys a dime.
     
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