Unsympathetic cop kept Moats from dying relative

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  1. SuperVince

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    The cop is trained to pull his gun in this very situation. Browse the web for Georgia State Trooper getting gunned down. In a traffic stop whenever someone jumps out of the vehicle it is typically an act of aggression and as officers they are trained to go one level above the believed threat which at that time was an uknown threat. Not only did she jump out but so did everyone else. The officer there is covered by his training and departmental policy within his discretion to pull his firearm. All that matters at the end of the night is that that officer goes home plain and simple. Now to live with the poor ethics you use in the field that is another issue but officer safety typically shouldn't be questioned.
     
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  2. GoT

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    in 1994ish Metro officer Tony Constant, now detective Constant, killed a retarded kid for not dropping a table fork the day before Thanksgiving. His reason - HE HAD TOO CONTROL THE SITUATION


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  3. V-MAN

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    I understand your point.

    But there is a big difference in a traffic stop and what occured here. They pulled to the emergency entrance at the hospital. With hazards on the entire way. I'm not the smartest man in the world; but if I see a car with hazards on heading to the hospital, common sense states that there has to be an emergency.

    Even when the cop recognized what was going on he should have pulled back....but he didn't. He kept him there to assert his authority. Even after hearing what was going on.
     
  4. Riverman

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    This "officer" needs to have his head examined. This is an example of how the field of law enforcement attracts narcissitic personalities. Police departments are increasingly including psychologic screening for applicants, but I believe this guy slipped through the cracks. I don't think this guy has any insight yet (despite his "apology") into why his judgement was incorrect in this situation.

    It would negligence if his supervising officers don't re-submit him to testing and something arises in the future from another episode of "poor" judgement.
     
  5. 4EverYoung

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    I always assumed that a cop would take you to the hospital in the event of a relative dying or a baby being born if you were to get caught speeding or ROLLING through a red light.
     
  6. SEC 330 BIPOLAR

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    all the more reason to stop and briefly explain...
     
  7. SEC 330 BIPOLAR

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    are you sure you didn't accidentally find yourself in Red Bank or East Ridge? Maybe Catoosa County, Georgia? For what it's worth, outside of the occasional incident that seems to plague every police department, I give The Chattanooga Police Department high marks... that is unless your registration is out of date, you broke a traffic law, you were speeding, not wearing a seat belt, smelled of alcohol, etc...

    I have lived in Chattanooga or the greater Chattanooga area since I was a toddler of three years old. I've operated a vehicle here for the past sixteen years. If I ever ended up in court over something driving related it was my own damn fault.
     
  8. Gut

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    So...

    If a man is rushing his pregnant wife to the hospital and a cop pulls him over for running a red light and the man explains why he did it. The cop could still detain him for 15+ minutes to write him a ticket/check for warrants, give him a lecture on not having the right to speed or go through red lights in an emergency situation, ect. right?

    What do you think would happen to said police officer if that woman, or her about to be newborn baby, died as a result?

    Discretion and judgement are more important to being a police officer than following the letter of the law. Officers need to have a broader view.

    In the above scenario, the officer could have followed the book, but he'd still get fired and the department sued if that happened I'd guess.

    Traffic violations are violations...punishable by fine. Moats decided the fine was worth the violation, but that wasn't good enough for this officer.

    I believe most police officers would help you get to the hospital...as one did for me. If this cop were of that mindset, as he claims to say, then why didn't he act that way? Moats wife comes out of the car and says her mother is dying. He doesn't care. Moats says she's dying. Officer doesn't care. Moats is agitated because the officer shows NO CONCERN at all for this situation and just wants to tell Moats he's wrong and lecture lecture lecture. When Moats does control himself and gets the insurance and stuff...does the cop change his tune? No. He continues to lecture and waste time. I would understand the cop better if when Moats calmed down, the cop calmed down and made an effort to get Moats into the hospital as quickly as possible. He chose to delay him as long as possible short of arresting him. And Moats agitation is much more understandable since HE was the one with a relative dying. The Cop was simply running down a car with it's hazards that went through a red light on its way to the emergency room of a hospital. Shouldn't this cop have a slight indication that there could very well be an emergency situation involved? I asked my friends who are cops how many 'bad guys' they chased to a hospital in this kind of situation. The answer was ZERO! I'm not saying the cop shouldn't have had his own safety and the possibility these could be bad people in mind, but it's not the likely scenario. He should have anticipated better and been able to go from lecture

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  9. Gut

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    Tide...

    I don't know your experience with such things, but I have been in a situation with one of my Grandmothers. We knew she was going to die but would go to the hospital and sit with her...many times past visiting hours. To the point where the Doctors and nurses on that floor knew us by our first names. We had gone home one night past visiting hours...exhausted. 2 hours later, they told us to come back to say our goodbyes because they didn't expect her to make it through the night. Even though she couldn't respond to us anymore...unconscious...we sure as heck were not gonna miss our last chance to say good bye and hold her hand - look at her and remember how wonderful she was and how much better she made our lives because she was in them.

    There angst was NOT because they left her bedside. They MADE IT TO THE HOSPITAL IN TIME. The angst for Ryan is that a cop chose to lecture him and detain him un-necessarily and THAT prevented him from seeing her alive to say his last goodbyes...

    Gut
     
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