Young Dedicated to Win Back Starting QB Role

Well...

I understand where you're coming from...but I'd take Tennessee over any other team in the league and have been a BIG FAN of them since Moon arrived in Houston. Even when we were pretty bad I stuck with the team...even flew to Cleveland for the last Browns/Oilers game played at the mistake by the lake. Anyone else go to that game? I saw exactly ONE Oilers fan besides me at that game...lol

Being a New Yorker, or as some would say...a New Yawka, I prefer the Giants and Jets win over a majority of the teams and I have a decent interest in what happens to them. Afterall, the Jets practiced where I went to college.

But the Titans are MY team. I flew down for the first game they played in Tenn, went to a few games while they were the 'home' travelling team and went to the first home game in Nashville.

Gut

 

Yes!

Thanks!

 

Well...

If you don't know what he's doing, why do you assume he's doing nothing? I am not watching which plays you're referring to, but usually when QB's point at a guy, they are pointing at either someone they think is gonna blitz and needs to be picked up, or they are calling the middle defender for blocking purposes. It's waaay to lengthy to get into the details, but you see this all the time in the NFL where a QB and or lineman point at defenders.

Looking off defnders is what all qb's are supposed to do, but even a lot of vets don't do this...at least not frequently. It usually takes younger QB's a long time to develop this. Pennington didn't look off the Ravens too much and it cost him with INT's. I think the last one, Ed Reed was on the other side of the field and made the play cause Pennington stared down his WR too long. Collins...being an older and more experienced vet, looks off defenses very well. It's something VY SHOULD learn from him!

When you draft a QB like McNair or Young, you know they are gonna need more work learning a Pro Style offense, reading defenses, ect. We saw in his rookie year he's great at free lancing with the ball, but all of these guys go through a bit of a transition period trying to become better pocket passers (reading defenses, going through 3-4 man progressions, looking off defenders, ect) and not freelancers. But Young did come into a College/Pro offense which even Collins looked bad running. And it's well known that changing coodinators and scheme in the first few years of a QB's development usually sets them back quite a bit. They even said that they let Vince free lance more in past years but they tried to cleanup his technique...especially his footwork for this past season. Too much to think about coming into a new system.

Look, I certainly don't like that or condone that. And if he lost trust that he couldn't get back, they would have tried to trade him or cut him. But rarely does that happen and rarely is that trust so broken it can't be mended. But he has some growing up to do and Fisher alluded to this. One of the big things VY needs to learn is to not get too up or too down over anything...the fans, making a bad decision, throwing a pick, whatever. Sometimes it seems like it's hard to tell if we're winning or losing just by watching Kerry. He's very balanced in his demeanor. Collins admitted it was something he needed to learn himself as a young QB.

Huh? VY can retire whenever he wants and they'd have a tough time getting any SB back from him. I understand you don't want the distraction, but let me ask you this. Who's our QB in 2010 if Collins retires after next year. And if he doesn't, who's our QB in 2011?

Gut

 

I'm presuming that he's doing nothing because he points to the same spot every time.It doesn't look like anything other than trying to fool defenders.
That's fare enough I guess but he doesn't seem to be fooling anyone on those game changing interceptions.

Very true.

What I see with Young is that he now looks to his 1st option and then quickly looks elsewhere. At that point he seems to look too long for somewhere to throw and in the process loses his best opportunities to run.

He looked good in 07 when he was making quick passes for short gains.When those opportunities weren't there he struggled and we stalled on drives frequently.

We also did that with Collins last season so some of it is no doubt due to our predictable play calling. When it came to the crunch though,many of our 10 wins in 07 came in spite of Young's poor play rather than because he played well.

There are a number of things that have affected the expectation surrounding Young that probably haven't worked out well for him.

To come out like he did in 06 and essentially win everyone over other than Merrill Hoge gave him a lot of pressure in 07.He finished that season with more questions surrounding both his ability and his attitude than there were after his rookie season.

Add in the fact the the team around him looked ready to be a contender lead to even greater expectations.

Now if you look at Roethlisberger,Flacco,Cutler and Leinhart their paths differ greatly.

Roethlisberger began his rookie year as 3rd string and because of injuries to Batch and terrible performances by Maddox Roethlisberger was handed the starting role as the last option by week 3.Expectations were low but much like Joe Flacco his team around him was strong.

Both those players were asked to do the bare minimum an by the end of their seasons they'd grown into confident game managers.Roethlisberger was eased into his second season with the same role and steadily improved.I expect Flacco will do the same.

Along the way Roethlisberger had some great moments and his team won the SB in a fairy tale manner surrounding Bettis. It was a team effort and they had some luck.The spotlight was not really on Roethlisberger in a negative way.

Cutler,Leinart and Young were talked up as being a draft of future champions.There was a certain level of hype surrounding all 3 isn't seen with every years batch of QB's.

Cutler and Leinart both began rookie campaigns as 2nd string behind QB's with question marks.In the seasons with arguably nothing at stake for their teams they were handed the reins.Both did OK with average teams around them.

Cutler finished well with the starting role his for the next season. He has progressed well on a team not expected to win.

Leinart finished the season with a serious injury after having a predictably up and down rookie season.He started his 2nd season poorly enough that the he had to share time with Warner and then his season ended early again with another injury. Warner went on to find his old form and won his job back.In 08 Leinart had to sit behind Warner all the way to the SB and has just seen Warner sign a new two year deal for what is clearly starter money.

We've not heard a peep out of Leinart or his agent.

Of the 3 06 QB's Young faced the least expectation.He was perceived as the best athlete of the 3 but the least ready to play.Most analysts projected him as being 2 -3 years away from being given a shot at starting.

Following a fallout with Volek and an almost career ending performance by Kerry Collins after only two weeks of being on the team Young was thrown it at the deep end.

He had a stellar 06 season and won rookie of the year.He began 07 as the unquestioned starter.Due to his 06 success he faced a big media spotlight and from his team and his agent big expectations were generated because of talk of how he'd progressed even though he'd missed time in camp due to going back to university.

The Titans played well enough as a team to get a wild card spot but the spotlight rarely came of Young.He was reluctant to take off and run and this was impacted further by a hamstring injury in wk6 that he arguably didn't recover fully from all season. in a tough year his team played well but Young was criticised for throwing 9 TDs to 17 interceptions.Even with the injury his running game didn't drop off that much but it's game changing effectiveness wasn't there.

If anything he faced his 3rd season with less expectation than his second as he was perceived to be human after all. His opening game ended badly under strange circumstances and over the following week stories of his metal breakdown reached fever pitch and once again Young was the biggest story in the NFL.

Facing his 4th year he has stayed away from the press.His team is seen as a SB contender and he is confirmed as the 2nd string QB.Similar to Leinart,barring an injury to Collins or terrible play by Collins Young is expected to sit for another two years.

Now had Young sat for two years behind Collins he would have had 3 years to learn the system and run the practice squad and quietly grow up behind the scenes.

Unfortunately because of that 1st season and what followed he now faces his 4th year with a bigger spotlight than ever and his team doesn't have the luxury of nurturing him or waiting for him.The Titans are ready to win now.

If he was to quit as was suggested the Titans would be incredibly charitable not to seek to recoup $7.5mill that he'd been paid yets still counts against the cap.A player quitting on a contract is not going to win that fight if the team chose to go after their money.

After seeing the way we played with a 'game manager' I don't think it would be hard to find a QB to fit that role if Collins walks away next year or the year after.

It wouldn't be exciting but even this year Grosman,Garcia,Grossman,O'Sullivan,Simms and Huard were available players that ought to be able to manage Fisherball until a genuine starter is drafted or traded for. Not ideal by any means but like it or not Young needs the Titans now more than they need him.Unless he wins back the starting role he will not see the $10mill he is due next season.

 

Yea because he just caused so many distractions this year on our way to a 13-3 record. I don't think he was any kind of distraction in the locker room. He had the bad weekend and then from all we know was a great teammate the rest of the year.

 

Well...

Again, if you are just guessing...that's not really a good argument.

Again, is he looking off and then looking to throw it somewhere or is this reading the D? Hard to know. But if he's reading the D...then that's what we want him to do and he'll get better at it over time.

Having looked at the stats, here's the breakdown...summarized.

In '06 he started or played a good amount in 14 games. He played exceptionally well in 2 games(QB rating over 100), very well in 2 games, was OK in 3 or 4 games and did not play very well in 6 games.

In '07 he played exceptionally well in 5 games (QB ratings between 95 and 109), was OK in 3 games, and did not play very well in 7 games. You are correct that in half of our wins that year, he didn't play very well. On the other hand, he played exceptionally well in 5 of our wins (3 vs divison opp) and played OK in 3 of our losses.

While his rushing was not as effective in terms of avg or TD's, his completion % went up more than 10%. Clearly, they wanted him to read and throw rather than just freelance. Like all young QB's, they need time to develop. The FACT that he had more than double the number of exceptional games than the year before is a good sign. Remember, McNair basically rode the bench for 2-3 years and THEN had to go through his own learning curve. So a McNair comparison is fair. How would VY do if he got to sit for the first few years? Probably not nearly as raw since he could have straightened out a lot of his technique and mechanics. He hasn't had that chance and right when he's learning how to be a better passer and reader of the defense, he gets a new system and OC.

Or more easily explained, his QB rating went from 66.7 in '06 to 71.1 in '07. His rushing stats went down by 2.5 yds/carry while his avg yppass went up .5. And his throwing more INT's and looking a little more confused is expected as he's developing. Looking more confused with a new OC and new system is also expected. If you look at his pre-season games, he clearly had better games in '07 but regressed in '08....which you can attribute to the new system, tinkering with his footwork, read progressions, ect.

While Big Ben played well, he had the same Luxury that Eli had his SB winning season, a very good OL, at least one excellent WR, a good TE, a very good RB, and an exceptionally great defense. The Steelers really won that Super Bowl IN SPITE of Big Ben.

Didn't Cutler have a good offense and one of the top Offensive gurus as HC? VY had...who?

He says they are not asking for a release or to be traded.....yet.

Least expectation? He was the first QB picked, right? He just came off nearly singlehandedly winning the National Championship, right? NO EXPECTATIONS?!?!?!?

I would say Collins is securely the starter for this season as Young was going in...so you never know what will happen. If the Titans wanna give VY a chance, it will be after this season. He won't ride the bench making 14mil if they don't think he can do the job.

Yes. If he doesn't get a shot next off-season and doesn't play this year, he'll be traded or more likely cut next off-season.

Last time I checked, retiring wasn't quiting on your team. The purpose of a signing bonus is that it's guaranteed money. The best they could do would be to go after a portion of that money...but I doubt they'd get much at best. Just as if a team cuts a player because they are done with him...can the player sue the team for a portion of the unpaid salary? Isn't the team quitting on the player?

Jeff Garcia is the ONLY known commodity (in a good way) on that list. Simms MIGHT be...but we don't know. We know Grossman, O'Sullivan and Huard are NOT the answer. A good reason WHY the Colts beat the Bears in the SB is GROSSMAN! With one known commodity and him likely to be with another team, who else is there?

Gut

 

There is no point in talking about Vince Young anymore.

Everybody who's been hoping for his failure need to keep hoping for his failure because if he shows the league that he can and play well then the guy really will "quit on your team" and yall will really have something to whine about then.

What do you think is going to happen if he shows that he's improved his passing game to where some other team will want to give him a chance to play for them?

He'll ask to be released or traded. There's no possible way he wants to stay in Nashville.


VY is done in Tenn.

If he turns out to be a real bust then he'll be gone.

If he turns out to be at least a decent player, then he'll ask to leave and he'll probably get his way.

 

Huh?

Morph, IF VY shows he can play enough, then WE'LL want him as long as his mental health is in order. Collins is only here for a max of 2 years and VY's contract is for longer than that. So why wouldn't we want to keep him if he shows he can play/improve?

Gut

 

I mean I don't think VY will stay here if he has a choice. Right now he's going to do everything in his power just to show that he can play football, but if he ever feels like he has the option to play elsewhere I think he'll take it.

I have the sinking feeling that his relationship with the team is shaky and I think he'll try to get away if it turns out that he proves his worth to some other organization.

 

If that is the case.......do we really want a player like that on our team?? Let alone our Leader and Franchise QB?? Why would we want anyone on this team who is just trying to showcase themselves so they can move on? Wouldn't you want to man up, show the fans, coaches and Front Office who put 60 MILLION DOLLARS in your pocket, and their hopes and dreams on you to become the next greatest player, that you ARE in fact going to be the unstoppable force you portrayed yourself to be? Wouldn't you work so hard, say all the right things, do all the right things, and be an absolute beast just to prove all the naysayers who counted you out, wrong? Wouldn't you do something to show that you really do want to be the best QB in the league ad the savior for the Titans, and not run away anytime a microphone is turned on?? The problem is........Vince hasn't done any of these things since he was being questioned last Training Camp, and he is just fueling all the speculation that he can't handle the heat. That is a big problem, and that is why if he wants to leave, many Titan fans say he can go, because he hasn't put up much of a fight proving he wants it since it got hot in the kitchen. I wouldn't want him in my foxhole.:hmm:

Football is just a game to Vince, he plays it like a game........that's why it isn't fun to him anymore.....it's no game, it's a profession now, and he doesn't have the work ethic to treat this like a career.