Rumor Titans interested in Nick Foles

You're overlooking the very likely fact that the Titans don't believe Mettenberger can make quick reads and that's why they call so many 7-step drops.

To suggest Mett and Brady are similar players is wishful thinking, I think.

 

LOL! They are similar in that they are old school type QB's...not that Mett is a Hall of Fame type player. But Brady was a 6th rnd pick for a reason. He didn't have a great arm then, he didn't read defenses particularly well and was considered (even by belicheck) simply a backup QB. He wasn't even the full time starting QB for Michigan. He developed his reading, decision making, arm strength and accuracy while on the bench in the NFL. and even in his first year, they tried to keep things as simple as they could.

I'm only making the point that both players can't run or move very well and because of that, MUST have a good OL and rely on quick reads and quick decisions.

Calling more 7 step drops is not an indication that they think Mett can't read defenses. I'd say you can't really make much of that in terms of reading ability. But I'd suggest the opposite. if they though he couldn't read defenses, they'd run more 3 step drops and more play-action on first down, more wr/rb screens...any way to get the ball out of his hands quicker...not hold it longer. However, I'd guess our extreme # of 7 step drops has a lot more of a corrolation to the high number of 3rd and 10+'s we had.

But perhaps a little stats comparison would make sense. Everyone sees Brady now as one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game. But in his first full season Brady had a YPA under 7, threw 18 TD's and 12 picks (and 3 fumbles lost for a 18:15 TD to turnover ratio). Not exactly the world beater he'd become over time. And in the playoffs, he completed about 62% of his passes but his ypa dropped to a paltry 5.9 and he finished the post-season (including the SB) with 1 TD and 1 INT and a QB rating of 77! Mettenberger had a little lower completion percentage (4% lower) but a much higher YPA at almost 8 and a QB rating 3 points behind Brady at 83+.

Brady wasn't exactly lighting it up reading defenses either his first few years in the league and NE won more because of a dominant defense, strong running game, and special teams!

No one is saying Mett is a sure fire starting QB in this league...let alone a Hall of Fame QB...but rebuild the OL, our D, and give him a #1 WR and we'll see what he has. At worst, we build up the team and get a new QB the following season who has a much better chance to succeed with a better team around him.

 

Yep....I have said that as well. Dumping him after this season makes the franchise look bad (believe it or not, it could look worse than it does now). Keeping him after next season (if he does not make significant improvements) makes the franchise look equally bad IMO.

 

Excellent analysis on your part. You make some good points.

One point I must disagree on is when you suggest Brady's mobility is comparable to Mettenberger's. While it's certainly true neither will produce many rushing yards, Brady is a master at subtle movements within the confines of the pocket. He avoids the rush and keeps his eyes downfield in such subtle ways you don't even realize it sometimes. I haven't seen any of that from Mettenberger. Perhaps he will develop it. He will need to if he wants to succeed in the NFL with his skill set.

 

Brady was not a master of subtle movements within the confines of the pocket in his rookie year at all. You remind me of my friend who always likes to mention that the German food he had while living in Germany was far superior to the German food in Tennessee.

 

Mettenberger was 8 months removed from ACL surgery when the preseason began. He was 10 months removed from ACL surgery when he started his first game.

That plays a big factor into his movements from within the pocket. He was never 100%.

Incredible recovery on his part to be able to even come back as soon as he did IMO.

 

This is correct. You don't have to be a great runner as a QB but you must have light enough feet to be able to move around in the pocket. you cant be a statue. Mett seems like his feet are too heavy and doesn't seem to move well in the pocket. Having said that I cannot say in fairness that ive seen a large body of work to judge him. im just saying based on what i have seen so far i think we need to watch out for the possibility that he may have slow feet which is a killer for a QB and makes him a sack waiting to happen.

 

Threw all of three passes as a rookie.

Won a Super Bowl in his second year. Absolutely displayed the beginnings of his excellent pocket abilities. Go watch Super Bowl 36 again. Even if we only look at his last drive, there are several examples of Brady climbing the pocket and maneuvering to make plays:

Cool story about your friend, by the way. Great stuff.

 

I like Foles, but he isn't worth a lot trade wise. To move from 20 to 2 would take a lot more than a 3rd round QB and a first rounder next year IMO. But, this is the Titans... We may give THEM players/picks to move up!

In all seriousness, I don't think anyone will want to move up badly enough to offer much. Worst case scenerio is picking a head scratcher at 2. (Which will probably happen)

Looks like it's not the best time to be drafting this high.