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Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by Thaddeus43, Jan 19, 2015.

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  1. Gut

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    The fact that a ball can lose pressure due to it's surroundings is not the point. The point is that it appears the amount it dropped goes far beyond the expected drop in psi due to environmental conditions (or the Colts balls would have deflated a similar amount due to the same environmental conditions and this whole thing is a non-issue).

    I'm sure if you asked Lance Armstrong, there are ways to do this!
     
  2. Vigsted

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    Um you just explained why Newtons law applies. The force imposed by the thrower is the same, but with lower mass the acceleration is higher and therefore the impeding air resistance is higher.
     
  3. Vigsted

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    Why should the lack of creativity on the Titans prevent another team from drawing up smart plays? With your line of thinking the forward pass still wouldn't exist...

    Also you're still making stuff up. The player declared himself ineligible/eligible when breaking the huddle. You declare eligibility to the referee who then announces it. Pretty hard to while lined up. And Josh McDaniels has already denied that they used no-huddle or declared while lined up.
     
  4. Vigsted

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    I already wrote how the F1 deals with this. They've written their rules in a way that it doesn't matter how the car loses weight. If it's too light at the end of the race, you're penalized. The problem is the rule in the NFL does not consider what happens if a ball is depressurized (naturally or artificially) during a game. They only stipulate that they have to be within limits prior to kickoff.

    And the problem I have with your analogy is that you're using the same offence twice. Let's instead say the rider previously had been caught cheating by riding a bike that weighed too little and now his urine had some irregularities, but nothing that showed use of illegal substances. No I would not penalize him in that case.

    Edit: and I might add that this is why the anti-doping agencies are pushing for blood passports, since the values of what's in your blood and urine does differ from person to person, so setting a fixed limit is difficult (either you set it low and punish someone unduly or you set it high and enable some people to cheat)
     
  5. CheeseheadTitan

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    Yep that is what I am saying....thank you for making my point. As I said, just like the inflation rules "don't take into account" the reality that pressure can fluctuate due to atmospheric changes (taking ball out of locker room an into outdoor environmental conditions), the noise rules "don't take into account" organic crowd noise (ok, I say "controllable organic crowd noise", so maybe I give the rulemakers more credit than you do, but you get the concept). So yes, it is absolutely comparable given that the coach and players can in effect "control the noise" by the methods I discuss in my previous post.

    When you make the "every team gets 8 home games argument" you are changing the parameters here....we are talking about advantages in A GAME, not over the course of a season. Besides, not all home fields are the same. Fans in Los Angeles (or Green Bay, actually) are not like the folks in Seattle right now, for example. Also, my point is "controllable" noise.....if every team gets 8 home games and it balances out, why the rule about stereo noise in the first place? As I mentioned in my previous post (and above), coaches and players can effectively increase the volume of their fans much like a stadium worker can increase the volume over loudspeakers.

    Asking me for an example of anything the Titans did this season to give them an advantage over another team will get crickets as an answer. However, what you are describing is a more extreme example of what teams have been doing (misdirection and speed to throw the other defense off of its game) since at least the time that the Bills rolled out the no huddle offense in the 90s. My question is....where do you draw the line?
     
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    Personally, as a Cardinal fan who cheered him on to his way to 70 home runs in 1998, I would have to say that I would not vote for him. He knew what he was doing and that it gave him an advantage, but it was also clear that steroids were not legal, and this had the same effect as a steroid, giving him more intent IMO. Again, as with my other post, my question to you is this....where do you draw the line? The other names in my previous post are very real examples of people who gave themselves advantages by means that were later deemed illegal. Should they be removed from their respective Halls of Fame?
     
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  7. CheeseheadTitan

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    Not sure I agree with your minimization of environmental impact (depends on what conditions existed when the balls were inflated.....AGAIN, I am not saying that Belicheat is not gaming the situation here)....but rationalize this out of your logic if you like.
     
  8. Riverman

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    Ridiculous to suggest the Pats did not "technically" break the rules because the rules state ball has to be appropriate pressure at start of game. The intent of the rule is to have regulated pressure during the game.

    It's like a boxer putting weights in his gloves after a pre-match check.
     
  9. jdog

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    After careful consideration I have concluded that I do not dislike NE anyone more than I did before. This would indicate to me that they were already high on my Crap-Weasel list.
     
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  10. Ten_Titans

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    Ok. I said explain for a reason, lol. I don't know if I would say it was Newtons second law making it go less distance. After all, in a vacuum, they would go the same distance.
     
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