Want to get rid of Webster?

some are having difficulty differentiating "fault" from responsibility. It's a common mis-understanding in non-professionals.

 

What are those options then? Enlighten me.

 

It must feel so good to sit there in your chair of hindsight. Man, you got it all squared away don't you? Gosh, how are you not an NFL GM?

Griffen's contract is bogus. I agree there. We shouldn't have extended it.

The decision to draft, Locker - I agree with. At the time that was a pick that I understood and was on board with. No one has a crystal ball dude. You should get over it. Expecting a GM to know the future is setting yourself up for some major disappointment.

You can sit there and bark at your TV all you want, Hahaha. You're stressing yourself out.

 

False. I'll give an example, because this is more than just black and white, right and wrong. You and I and Gut are disagreeing on something that doesn't traditionally have a "right" answer.

We are disagreeing on a fundamental level of Management Culture. Allow me to give you an example here.

Microsoft punishes mistakes. If you make a multiple mistakes you are fired. There is a point system involved and little context is generally included. They only care about your responsibility and if you pass or fail at that.

Amazon has a different approach. If you make a mistake, you are not punished. You and your manager review this situation. The two take context, elevate the issue, isolate the issue, and walk away with action items specifically engineered based off the lessons learned from that failure. This approach is taken with each mistake.

One management style may work for one person and not the other. I'm not here to say which is right or wrong. I'm not here to convince you to believe in one or the other.

I'm here to state my opinion in saying that I agree with the Amazon style of management. To me it fosters growth and knowledge.

 

You still don't get it. It isn't about fault or "mistakes". It is about results. Professionals are responsible for "results" that are produced whether those results are good or bad.

By your analogy, Google never has grounds to terminate anybody. And I suggest that Google fires plenty of people who have failed to produce the expected results of that position.

What you are REALLY arguing for is TIME. You believe that Webster deserves more time to judge the course of his tenure as GM. At 3 years we are approaching the edge a normally accepted time frame. It doesn't matter that he is on his second coach-that was debated above.

Some, like myself, believe Webster has had enough time to be judged for status of the talent level on this team. I firmly believe we are in year 5 of Webster's influence (2 years as VP player personnel, and in his 3rd year as GM). He has failed miserably based on both the talent level and the Titans overall record each season his has had influence.

2010 6-10
2011 9-7
2012 6-10
2013 7-9
2014 2-7 thus far

Under his influence, the team has been 30-43 (0.411). As GM, he is both responsible for the players and coaches of the organization. Too early to judge on Whiz but the off-season acquisitions and coaching hire hasn't done anything to suggest a turnaround in his already poor record.

This team's talent level is so poor, I estimate at least 2 years to smell the playoffs and 3 -4 to get a playoff win IF all personnel decisions work out. And based on Webster's past performance record that would be a MIRACLE.

That is why I judge Webster harshly. I believe he has had more than enough time to establish a pattern indicative of his skills at stocking this team with talent. I have seen nothing from Webster to suggest this team will be a contender before 3-4 years.

 

You can look up the NFL coaches available from free agent HC's to coordinators to be elevated.

From college, I'll give you plenty of names we could/should have considered...not in any order. Nick Saban, Chris Petersen, Urban Meyer, Chip Kelly, Les Miles, Bob Stoops, Gary Patterson, Mike Gundy, Bill Snyder, Mark Dantonio, Mike Leach, Brian Kelly, Lane Kiffin, Dabo Swinney, Kirk Ferentz.

 

I does feel good to sit in this chair. It's a comfy chair!!!

I am not one to complain about things in the past for the sake of it. In fact, most fans rip a GM for a pick not working out when he made the best possible choice. I don't. But I will rip things when they are BAD DECISIONS!

Do you know WHY we grade players in the draft? So there is an expectation of what they can do and how 'safe' a pick they are. The lower your grade, the LESS chance you have of making it in the NFL. So a 2nd rnd graded player has less chance of making it than a 1st round player (given similar positions and types of picks). So if you take a 2nd round graded player and spend a high first round pick on him, the odds of him 'making it' are lower. Your GM is taking on MORE RISK so if it doesn't work out, yes, it's a black mark on his record. When you do that AND set back the franchise 4 years, that usually costs a GM his job!!!

I don't know WHY you'd agree with taking a player a round early...especially with his accuracy issues. It was a dumb move the Jags and Vikes made too. Everyone understands WHY they did it, but it doesn't excuse it. Which is why I don't understand you excusing Webster's poor decisions by saying you see nothing that would lead you to fire him...except you agree Griff's contract extension was a BAD MOVE. Somehow you excuse anything to do with Munchak and his coaches as being on Munchak. Webster hired Munch and Munch's plan for scheme, coaching staff, everything. His decision...his responsibility.

I don't bark at the TV and am probably much more calm than most Titans fans. I'm quite relaxed Thanks for your concern.

 

There is a fundamental flaw in any management style that can't see mistakes and fix them. For example, you just said previously Webster hasn't done anything wrong but then agreed Griff's contract was bad. You agree with him reaching for a QB a round too early...but the mistake is not recognized...only understood and OK'd.

There is a saying everyone should know. Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Meaning...if you don't recognize a mistake, you will keep repeating the mistake. Repeating mistakes is BAD!!! Mistakes are what lead to stagnation and poor performance.

I will simplify your point regarding management style to make my point more clear. An american company might look at a management mistake, blame the manager, fire the manager, and bring in a new manager to get it 'right.' We love to assign blame. A Japanese company might see something wrong, find the mistake, go to the manager and have them try to fix the mistake. Fixing the problem is more important than assigning blame. Both management styles work as long as both companies can FIND the MISTAKE and FIX IT!!!

My problem is you are not seeing the MISTAKES so you don't want to FIX them because you don't see a problem. You can either LEARN from mistakes or be doomed to repeat them.

Companies/sports teams, what have you can not grow if they repeat mistakes over and over. You may like Amazon's management style/culture better, but they became highly successful by fixing problems so they can continue expanding through innovation.

To narrow this down further...apply your own management style to the Titans problems without assigning blame. What is the context of their problems, what issues are you isolating and elevating, what action items can you come up with for the titans problems both on and off the field?

 

I think theres blame all around ...webster has made mistakes .
But you can say that about every GM in nfl ..........

As far as guys drafted i think coaches have some input in wich guys they want to get ...This years draft the guys have been good because i think ....wizz... had some input into getting these guys for his system ...
Websters drafts with munch was to get guys to fit munchs system ....wich now we know sucked so then we got bad players ...
I ALSO THINK WE NEED BETTER TALENT FINDERS..

OUR SCOUTING DEPT NEEDS UPGRADE ...........

 

Non-professionals?

Deflecting blame is part of the human condition. Professionals do it as much as everyone else.

A faulty ignition switch kills people, and a guy in some office postulates that there was too much weight on the key chain.

It's the ole "get this problem off of my desk" olè. You see it everyday.