A Closer Look at Jake Locker

Discussion in 'Tennessee Titans and NFL Talk' started by EdRomeo, May 16, 2011.

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  1. Gut

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    Well...

    Throwing the ball to his right shoulder IS throwing it behind him since he's facing the QB.

    Since I've seen many plays where he doesn't see the open man while looking at him (or in that area), I would lean toward the assumption that he's not reading the play and just trying to influence the D when he turns one way and quickly throws back the opposite way. We can agree to disagree.

    Why would you throw a hitch against tight man when the DB's are better than your WR's? Most likely expecting cover 3 or off man. Bad decision to throw it there and a bad throw. IMO it was outside the WR's frame or an extremely difficult catch for the WR at best. That = bad accuracy in my book.

    I didn't downgrade him for not reading it, just mentioning he had a guy wide open. All this talk of no one being open and I'm seeing a lot of guys who are open. As I said, maybe the playside guy was his HOT or that was an automatic - i don't know.

    I don't agree. He's about in the same boat as Gabbert in bailing the pocket when he doesn't need to. Gabbert and Russell are worse at reading I think. Dalton is better at staying in there and reading D.

    Am I not supposed to mentioned the ball was underthrown?

    You already listed the positives so I didn't feel the need to repeat you. I just posted what I disagreed with.

    Gut
     
  2. Gut

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    Lol...

    LOL!!! I didn't say Locker's 21 wonderlic is the same as a WR running a 5.0. I was saying that pointing out a factual stat and pointing out that that stat is below NFL standards, is not bashing.

    In your opinion, it appears you think so. If it doesn't matter to you, why do you bother to read this thread and make negative comments on people having a discussion about a player. Don't you do that all the time on here with players and coaches currently on the team? What's the difference?

    LOL! Why does this bother you to the point of spending the time to write a negative post about it?

    Gut
     
  3. EdRomeo

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    I guess we'll disagree on this play, imo, when a QB and the receiver are facing each other the QB can't throwing it behind the receiver.

    And in this case I think Kearse choseto catch and spin, he could have easily caught the pass out in front of his chest if he wanted.
    And he was able to make a catch for a positive gain, this pass imo cannot be marked down for accuracy.

    We've seen plays where he doesn't throw to an open man, but there are far more plays where he does throw to an open man.
    Again it would be an assumption to say he doesn't see an open receiver because he doesn't throw to the receiver there could be a reason why he turns a receiver down that receiver and throws to another, afterall most plays are the QB has choice of where to throw the ball.

    Also, I think when you only list the negative plays its easy to lose perspective on the positive plays.
    For example there were far more positive plays then negative plays.
    The negative plays have to be viewed by percentage against the positive plays.


    The only part of this play we disagree on is that he expected a different coverage then he got.
    He can see the CB playing press there is no reason he would expect anything off man when he can see the CB playing press at the snap.
    Otherwise we agree on this play because like I said in both my posts I graded him down on this play.

    My mistake then, it sounded like you were grading him down on this play. Also, I never said Locker didn't have open receivers, I know some people may have said that but you keep aiming that statement at me.


    For one we're kinda talking about 2 separate issues bailing from the pocket and reading defenes.
    Re: Bailing
    I think there is a huge difference between Locker and Gabbert in this bailing in the pocket.
    Gabbert bails from perceived pressure, Locker bails because he's faced actual pressure and knows that he must make plays at times and like many playmaking QB bails on the designed play too early because he thinks he needs to make play because the pass protection is breaking down.
    ^^If that makes sense.
    Long story short I think Gabbert bails from the pocket because he's a but skittish.
    Re:Reading defenses
    I think Locker is better i.e. more pro-ready at reading defenses pre-snap and post snap then Gabbert, Newton and Dalton because he has done it for 2 years under a pro-style coach in Sark.
    Locker has been executing a rhythm passing offense; reading progressions while executing 3-5-7 steps drops from under center which gives him a head start on the other QBs (spread guys). Guys like like Mallett, Stanzi, Ponder have been doing it longer so I assume their better.

    I kinda get what you're saying about Dalton though.
    Except, I would say that Dalton is a more polished passer then Locker at this point because Dalton played 4 years in the same wide open system with great pass protection.
    Dalton is still facing a transition from spread to under center.

    With that being said being "pro-ready" becomes irrelevant once training camps start, then its all about apptitude, coaching and willingness.

    No, no, by all means, don't get me wrong.
    Maybe its just me but it seemed extra nit-picky on that play in particular to mention that it was slighty under thrown.

    Actually, I listed all the plays then at the end of the passing chart I listed the negative plays again.
    But, you chose only to repeat the negative plays without mentioning the positive plays and even when you did mention a couple positive plays you also dinged him on those.

    Great discussion though.
    I really appreciate these Xs and Os conversations.
    I was supposed to be coaching my (9-10 y/o) team for arena football but couldn't because of school.
    Consequently I'm itching for football.

    Cheers.
     
  4. EdRomeo

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    I love football, I love basketball.
    I coach both and love talking about Xs and Os.
    Obviously this thread isn't for ever body.
     
  5. bobbyt77

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    maybe the 2 touchdowns that jake ran might have something to do with the win over Neb the kidd plays every game to win I think some of you.put alot your opinions on percentage.You will all be talking next year what draft pick we made and the management personale are the smartest around. I think winning far out ways percentages. Some of sounds like you are exsperts on QB's And coatching that might be but nobody can tell me that Jake Locker Is not a winner your desception of a winner might be different than mine but I think you will see that he will be a winner in the NFL as well in life.The kidd is special person you will all see just give it time
     
  6. bobbyt77

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    my opion on this discusion about Jake Locker

    just replying to your thuoghts
     
  7. Soxcat

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    I don't have a problem and usually love this stuff myself. But right now it is kind of pointless. I'll get more excited about it I guess when Locker is actually playing for the Titans.
     
  8. JCBRAVE

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    I think even you know what I meant. Stop reading into things that aren't there.
     
  9. titanslapifneed

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    Hey there fellow TITAN fans like you i am bored out of my mind. So with all this free time i've went ahead and watched as much film as I could on Jake Locker. Now I still believe we need a strong veteran ( Carson Palmer, Matt Hasselback), but while watching film and reading about his offensive line i have come to my own opinion. Now the whole year i counted 65 throw aways (70% legitate due to an awful o-line 30 % due to a bad decision). I also counted 49 dropped passes ( 9 were bad throws (a few because of pressure) but about 7 just bad or the wrong read). And i am no coach or someone who thinks his opinion is always right, but i did play 4 years division 1 football (not that that makes me an expert). From what i have seen on film he can make all the throws and he seems very accurate (GOD I HOPE IT TRANSLATES TO THE NFL), But more then anything he is a tough moral leader and we are desperate for that. P.S. watch the film he had 1 so so receiver the rest sucked and none will sniff the nfl. also he had a young o=line that were all playing new positions (except the right tackle and only senior).
     
  10. EdRomeo

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    Great article: http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110626/SPORTS01/306260073/2080/sports01

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eec9KIHPSp8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj4uxfa91-s
     
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